How to disprove free will using basic logic

[Euphoria14]

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Euphoria14 said:
I'm lost on the whole "determined" and "random" thing...

If someone does something, it is either pre-determined or a random act? Random how? Random to someone who views the act? Random to the person who commited the act?

I'm confused.

If it is not determined then it has to be random. Otherwise it would be determined!

Why can't it just be that those "random acts" were in fact acts of free will? Why can't it be that those 'determined" acts were also acts of free will?

To me it just sounds like you use something you can grasp an argument around and claiming it as predetermined and everything you have no answer for you simply shrug your shoulders and say "Well, I have no idea, so let's just call it random".