Slimebeast said:
crissindahouse said:
Slimebeast said:
I would like to add that there's two components in the Israeli-Arab(Palestinian) conflict. One is the legal and moral perspective which we in the West tend to (naively) focus on, but another is the practical struggle for survival and try to win. In the Middle East it's not so much about who is right or who is wrong, it's very much a battle of give and take. The strongest and wittiest simply wins. If you give your finger to your opponent you risk losing your hand. All decisions on both sides of the conflict are more or less based on this practical struggle rather than on morals.
Yes, we can refer to Jewish history in the territory, Arab history in the territory, the British mandate, the UN partition plan, 1948 borders, 1967 borders, Camp David agreements, Oslo accords, secret peace talks, UN resolutions, international law, human rights and bla bla bla. You have so many arguments that everyone values differently, and we can exchange these arguments back and forth, but in the long run what really matters and what will decide the outcome of the conflict is who will outsmart the other, who is the strongest.
|
i don't believe as example usa would let another country there "outsmart" israel. just look how usa is paying half (or something like that) of israels iron dome system which is destroying the incoming rockets.
so for me, it's not only who is stronger there, someone will always get the backup from other countries.
|
Of course the conflict has all sorts of allies and these are all included in the struggle.
Israel gets support from the Jewish diaspora, USA, evangelical christians and conservatives while Palestinians get support from the Arab world, muslims, European media and left-wingers.
|
You are partially right. Palestinians are supported by the majority of the arab world but not all of it (Jordan and pre-arab spring Egypt were both Israeli allies). Also there is a lot of support for them with muslims, european media and liberals.
BUT that support is NOT equivalent with the support for Israel. While the support for Palestinians is mostly ideological and is provided in terms of aid and money, the support for Israel (in America) is in terms of money, weapons, cutting-edge tech and political influence. The support America provides for Israel in its influence on the global scene (where they struck down a resolution attempting to pressure Israel), with new tech it provides to no other country and the peace negotiations which it skews in Israels favour all mean that Israels allies have a much much bigger impact on the issue than do the Palestinian allies.
