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thismeintiel on 05 February 2012
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Hyruken said:


If you could find the link of them saying that then that would clear it all up wouldn't it. Until then you are making things up. Even in your link there are no official comments from MS. It is an interpretation of their released numbers by people on here.

But okay I will put forward a different point for you then.

Did or did not Sony actually reduce their forecast on their projected PS3 sales in their quarter report? And was that by one million units? On top of this other then MS have any of the other companies actually claimed they were the top selling console for 2011? Because if everything you said was true why didn't Sony come out and say that in what was a pretty damaging quarterly report? Surely by saying something like that would give investors a bit of hope in the Sony brand? Especially considering it's market value has dropped by nearly 50% over the same period last year?

All I see from you is assumption, no actual facts to back up your claims. Shouting it louder doesn't make it right. The FACT Sony predicted less sales for the PS3 would indicate that they themselves over-estimated demand. Could even be they have over-shipped themselves. But that can't possibly be true can it?

As for the adjustments who says 2m on shelves for 360 and 1.7m on shelves for PS3 is right? Where did you get those numbers from? Who is to say there isn't 1.5m 360's on shelves or 2m ps3's on shelves?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-24-microsofts-chris-lewis-interview

Eurogamer: So when you say number one you mean sales?

Chris Lewis: I mean purely install base with consumers. We don't count units unless they're actually out there and installed. This isn't shipments. This isn't revenue. This is install base of consoles.

The discussion that has been rampant for the past couple months has ALWAYS been about sales to consumer, not shipments (the thing this site tracks).  It's only recently when it looks that 360 didn't actually outsell the PS3 has some tried to change the discussion to be about shipments and/or profits.  We're here just to keep things on track.