Fate exists?

[Zkuq]

TheLivingShadow said:

Zkuq said:
Depends on how you define 'fate'. I believe the universe is completely deterministic even though we may not be able to measure it accurately. I do know that quantum mechanics involves lots of randomness but I also believe it's not because the universe is random but because we just can't measure it accurately enough. That said, I have practically no faith in 'fate' in religional/supernatural/whatever sense.

What you say makes sense, except that quantum mechanics doesn't say that. It says that it's fundamentally probabilistic. Nobody inside the universe can measure all properties with exact accuracy, no matter how advanced the technology they use to measure.

Just as a thought though, what if one is outside the universe? Does this hold true then? Of course there's no way to scientifically arrive at conclusions on this, but see what you think.

Maybe I'll change my mind once I learn more about the nature of quantum mechanics and stuff but until then, I'm going to believe what I've already said.

Also, I'm not going to answer your question. I thought about it for a while (and a bunch of other more or less related stuff as well) and now I'm pretty confused. Sorry, can't think about it even a bit more right now. :P