Should guns be outlawed in America?

[Andrespetmonkey]

Kudistos Megistos said:

Andrespetmonkey said:

Hey look don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that their form of government is the best and it will work for every country, but they seem to be doing really well over there, and to be honest I've never heard a scandinavian complain about living there. Healthcare is fantastic for everyone, according to my ex girlfriend (who is swedish and middle-class). 

From what I've heard about scandinivia from scandinivians and from what the statistics show, it's a lovely place to live. Not saying it's perfect and I'm not saying I'm for socialism in most cases, but it seems to be working well there.

Here's a fun fact: North Koreans believe that they're the happiest people in the world. Or their children do, and the adults did until very recently. In any case, whether people are happy about where they live tends to have more to do with how well off they think they are rather than how well off they really are. If Scandinavians think they're better off than the rest of the world, is that because they really are? Or because, contrary to appearances, the average Scandinavian is actually no better informed about the rest of the world than the average American? From what I've seen, an awful lot of Europeans tend to think of the whole of the US as being like what they see in violent Hollywood films and on the Jerry Springer show; given the number is silly stereotypes they take seriously, it's no wonder they believe their countries are so much better.

And additionally, people from countries with socialist systems tend to have great difficulty understanding how a modern country can work without the government doing everything for them; it encourages over-reliance on the state. This is probably the reason why Russia went to shit after the USSR fell: without the state that they're always depended on, people didn't have a clue what to do. So naturally, they judge whether or not a country is "good" depending on how "big" the government is.

Andrespetmonkey said:

Least corrupt?

That just means that Scandinavians are more naive.

 

No, it wasn't.

If corruption hasn't been found in Scandinavian governments, it's because the people aren't looking hard enough. They should be more paranoid about their politicians.

 

Here's a fun fact: North Koreans believe that they're the happiest people in the world. Or their children do, and the adults did until very recently. In any case, whether people are happy about where they live tends to have more to do with how well off they think they are rather than how well off they really are. If Scandinavians think they're better off than the rest of the world, is that because they really are? Or because, contrary to appearances, the average Scandinavian is actually no better informed about the rest of the world than the average American? 

Wow, well first of all scandinavians aren't brainwashed borderline servents to a dictator. Secondly, when did I say or how do "scandinavians think they're better off than the rest of the world". I said from what I've heard from scandinavians it's a lovely place to live - all of these people now living in england with the exception of one- so they do have a point of comparison.

My point is that with the governments running Sweden, Norway, Finland and iceland, the countries are very successful and is a great place to live, statistics say it, the people say it, the tourists say it. You have yet to present a convincing contradictory argument to this, if this isn't what you're arguing agaisn't, then let's just stop. I wouldn't consider myself a socialist but at least I can accept the fact that socialist systems do work in some cases, why can't you? 

Never said there wasn't any corruption in scandinivia, there is. Just not a lot according to the statistics: