Should guns be outlawed in America?

[chris.m95]

Jexy said:

sethnintendo said:

 

I am going to just step in briefly for this conversation considering I graduated with a wildlife and fisheries management degree.  Do you have any idea how wrong your statement is when you actually take a step back and look at it?  Do you understand why deer populations go out of control?  The reason why is because there was a mass slaughter of wolves or any other predator that humans were scared of in the USA.  If you take out the predators then of course you will have their prey population explode until they use up the resources and die off to sustainable levels.  You act like the only way to control wildlife population is through hunting....  While this can be a decent way for wildlife agency to make money, hunting is by no means a good way of population control.  Just come down to Texas and try and get the feral hog population in control with human methods (guns, traps, poison, etc..).  You know what?  You can't because they have been trying for a very long time with no success.  You act like a person who has no clue about the food chain which is elementary science.  I am 99.9% sure that wildlife populations didn't evolve depending on humans to keep their populations in check. 

Ok, so let's raise the wolves back from the undead and let them eat all the deer.  Problem solved.  Or let's somehow inject them with something that makes them more fertile, or breed our own wolves and release them into the wild.  Does that solve your problem?  Because you can't undo what's been done.  So what is your master plan to fix it, since you have a degree in the field?  And why haven't you implemented it yet?

And so you agree that for example, deer, will explode in population until they use up all the natural resources and start dying off... aka, our resources, and other animals' resources, thus we resort to hunting. 

So you're saying that despite all of the feral hogs that humans kill with guns, traps, and poisons, there is still a problem, right?  So would that problem not be EVEN WORSE with NO human intervention at all?  Sounds like it would be.  Wouldn't humans have to be the ones to introduce their natural predator, whatever that may be?  Wouldn't that have consequences? 

I know how the food chain works.  We are at the top. We do what is necessary to keep our way of advanced life sustainable.

Obviously humans didn't dictate 99.9% of wildlife populations.  Humans haven't even been around that long.  Not to mention nature has its own animals become extinct despite our efforts.  Just look at pandas.  Those dumb animals don't even want to procreate anymore, thus they should be extinct.  But humans intervene and show them panda porn (no joke) just to make it work so we can keep looking at fluffy pandas.  Is this wrong?  Should we just let them go extinct?  It's clearly a species that should be dead.  But they look cute, so we do our best human intervention to keep them alive.

But guess what, there are 7 billion people on this planet now.  7 billion humans. Who need food.  And in some places, have overgrown their natural resources and spread more than the earth will naturally let them live.  So what do we do?  We figure out ways to fix that, and one of those ways is hunting to prevent certain animals from decimating the landscape that we use to feed these people.  You want to help fix this?  Go tell them to wear some condoms.

Like I said, I live in the real world, not the ideal world.  I think wolves are awesome, and humans shouldn't kill them.  But they did, and now it's done.  And now we have a deer problem.  So how to fix it?  Hunting is one of the ways we use.

First of all thank you seth for trying to show this guy some sense :)

next bring wolves back from the dead/breed our own. Your not as clever as you may think. Dont go on at seth for not fixing it when your doing nothing better and you are just exating violence on innocent creatures.

"We do what is nessecary to keep or advanced way of life sustainable" You know what a selfish and violent statement that is? We live in a society today that consumes too much, if destroying the planet and its wildlife in the process of sustaining it seems like a good cause to you, you are very wrong and you obviously dont care about future HUMAN generations. "there is enough in the world for everyones need, not for everyones greed" Ghandi. You know the reason people are starving in africa? because western societies are greedy and take, take, take leaving nothing for these poorer countries not because of animals.

Pandas wouldnt be on the extinction line if it werent for human hunting and logging to sustain a greeedy lifestyle. Dont call them dumb if anything the hunters are dumb. Other examples of nearly extinct races due to hunting include tigers, certain species of leapard, dodos went years ago. Hunting is the problem with extinc animals and you just dont seem to realise that.