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kowenicki, Seece said:

I said a price cut in EUROPE would have helped.... you then quoted a rack of US price offerings... those US price cuts are irrelevant to the EUROPEAN sales performance.  Get it?

Look, this is a site that has visitors from all over the world. Like it or not, the US $ still is a currency everyone can relate to, so quoting local prices in US $ rather than local currencies is a simple convenience for all readers. Maybe I am thinking too fast for you (and your alter ego Seece as well), or you are intentionally playing dumb bringing up a straw man "US price cuts".

I am not going to discuss manufacturing prices (again and again and again over the years, particularly with you two). I assume there are readers knowledgable enough in mass manufacturing/electronics to see the simple points I make. There is a peculiar group of readers that apparently are not, and feel the need to divert the discussion (particularly when it comes to manufacturing and production costs of XBoxes, like there is some unexplainable miracle looming behind that particular gadget. So to sum up: For the first group, it would be simple to reproduce the calculation that a $229 shop price XBox360 250G Kinect + Software + Live) price is sold at a loss to MS, while the latter group will simple go "Lalalalala".