FattyDingDong said:
Marks said:
FattyDingDong said:
Marks said:
Kasz216 said:
Marks said:
Yeah I agree, USSR never gets the credit they deserve. I'm Canadian so all we learn about is Canada/USA/UK in the war.
I'm taking a course next year on the USSR in WWII so that should be interesting. |
You may end up hating the soviets depending on if your a dog person.
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Oh I'm well aware of the bad things they've done, I know they weren't much better than the Nazis. Like how they "liberated" many of the concentration camps but many of the people they "rescued" were actually just sent off to Russian camps where they were no better off.
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My friend, you are living in a country that used to be "Anti-Soviet" for almost 40 years. So of course that's all you would hear about the Soviets....
Interesting fact, Soviets liberated Aushwitz the biggest death camp in Europe. majority of the Jews were killed in that camp. Soviets gave them shelter/food even though they barely had enough for themselves. Later after ww2, those Jews were sent to the West for a better life.
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I didn't hear this from a Canadian history class my good sir, I took a trip to the Baltic States and Russia last summer and went to many museums and also visited the Stutthof concentration camp near Gdansk, Poland. The tour guide (and a short video we watched) talked about how when the Soviets "liberated" Stuffhof many of the people from the camp basically just became Soviet prisoners. They may not have been sent to death camps like with the Nazis but they certainly weren't sent back to their families or on vacation.
Also one of the museums I went to in Riga, Latvia was all about Latvia under Nazi as well as Communist control and in many respects like under the Nazis was better than life under the USSR. Not if you were Jewish of course, but for the common non-Jewish citizen it was.
I don't remember exact details, but I remember the big picture, and it was that the Soviets were horrible leaders and made life worse in almost every possible way for the countries they occupied.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with your OP, the war more than likely would have been lost if Hitler hadn't attacked Russia. Russia was vital to the allies winning the war. And they definitely don't get the credit they deserve as far as their war effort is concerned.
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That may be true but not if you are a slavic person meaning if you are (Russian,Ukranian,Polish,Serbian,Slovakian,Czech). Because Hitler despised Slavic people, he ordered his army generals to treat them very harshly which is why most of the Slavs chose to fight against the Nazis and form Partisan groups.Hitler ordered that for every 1 dead german, 100 Slavic civilians would be shot. But if you were a Latvian,Estonian you would be treated fairly by the Germans. Communists treated every one the same. Nazism was only better than Communism if u were not from a "LOWER RACE" "Untermensch"
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Yeah that's true dude, the Nazis were terrible to Slavs. All I'm saying is that the Commies were bad too, they weren't hero liberators of the concentration camps like they'd love us to believe. They did save them from certain death but they treated them barely any better.
I love Russia so I was actually disappointed to find out what they did to the prisoners they liberated. I'm trying to find some sources to back up my statements but I guess not much is written about the subject. Everything just says the Soviets liberated the camps, doesn't talk about what happened to the prisoners after liberation.
But I'm certainly with you in terms of their war contribution. Wasn't a ridiculous number of German casualties caused by Soviets like 75% or higher? Its funny that the Germans were so scared of the Soviets that there were mass suicides in 1945 when they knew the Soviets were coming!
