Your Top 50 Games: 2011 Discussion Thread

[Michael-5]

RolStoppable said:

Michael-5 said:

Prior to PS1, what were the better received, better selling games? There were Nintendo games like Mario Kart, Super Mario, Zelda, Starfox, Kirby, Donkey Kong, etc which all matured well on the N64, Final Fantasy and other Squaresoft JRPGs (which matured well into 3D on PS1), Street Fighter (no PS1/N64 era game), Disney games like alladin (no major N64/PS1 era title), and what Mortal Kombat?

The world pre N64/SNES was defined by Nintendo games and JRPG's, all of which have matured well on the 6th generation. So when you said aside from these games, you basically said "aside from the bulk of the video game software."

I don't know what Rock'n'Roll Racing is, so it's not a mjaor title, and Contra never saw an N64/PS1 iteration did it?

So most games did get into the 6th gen era in an admirable fashion.

I expanded the arguement by saying many franchises also debuted in this 6th gen console era (the era Rune claims was terrible). MGS, Smash Bros, Mario Party, Twisted Metal, Crash Bandicoot, etc all are great franchises that started in the 6th gen era and since then, like Nintendo games, and to a degree JRPG's, have been relatively unchanged.

My arguement is that the 6th gen console era was one of the most important. Most games from this era represent the best of many big franchises today, and most of those franchises that existed back then and still do now, had their best titles on the console at the time.

Best Zelda's, Mario, Starfox, Final Fantasy (3D ones), and others are arguably of similar quality (Mario Kart, MGS, Twisted Metal, etc)

You don't remember much of anything that happened prior to the PS1, so all the IPs that got killed or marginalized with the step to 3D might as well have never existed in the first place for you. Also, PS1/N64/Saturn was the fifth generation.

Rock'n'Roll Racing is a classic and got completely destroyed with its PS1 sequel. There were two Contra games on the PS1, both of horrible quality. Why didn't you say anything about Mega Man, Sonic and Castlevania? I guess because you know that you can't say much positive about them. Castlevania had at least one last hurrah on home consoles with Symphony of the Night (on the PS1 in 2D), but the two N64 games (in 3D) were awful.

Most fifth gen games aged like milk which stands in stark contrast to fourth gen games that aged like wine. What's blurring your view is that you grew up with these fifth gen games, so you think higher of them than they actually deserve. Naturally you could say that my view is blurred by my own childhood, but when people who started gaming after the fifth gen go back to play old titles, they are constantly more amazed by fourth gen games while most fifth gen games seem to be almost unplayable to them. They have no nostalgic feelings, so they can be a fairer judge.

If you look at VGC sales data, many of the non Nintendo, non JRPG franchises didn't sell well. Mega Man was big, but sales were not.

I loe 3D Megaman on N64, and Mega Man Legends on PS1. Also didn't the Mega Man X franchise continue in 2D on PS1? Mega Man wasn't ruined. Sonic didn't fare too well in the 5th gen, but it was because of poor executive decisions in Sega of America/Japan and an inability to communicate with each other which caused this. When the Dreamcast came out, 3D Sonic games were a charm. Ontop of the Sonic went 3D on the Genesis and Saturn, and I loved that game just as much as the other 2D titles. Castlevania also faired well on PS1, but in 2D. 3D Castlevanias didn't sell well on N64, so it's a mixed bag. Still Symphony of the Night is often regarded as the best Castlevania and it's 5th gen.

Whoops about gen number, yea with 3DS being 8th gen, I got a little mixed up.

Also I completly disagree about aging. I still play Mario Kart 64 and Mario Party 2 with friends. They are my most played multiplayer games to date. SNES games ages well because they were sprite based, but not all of them. Breath of Fire is a hard game to play without an analog stick. It's actually easier for me to play Final Fantasy IX then VI, and next summer I play to finally play and beat Chrono Cross (On my friends PS3).

Also I grew up on the SNES, not so much the N64, and SNES is my favorite console, but N64 is a close second (I think I do like this gen a lot).