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Seece said:

Very difficult to say.

Microsoft are still sticking to their #1 WW 2011 (which they've said is sold to consumers not shipments) and we have 7 weeks till the end of the year? I've said before, they're not infallible, but this is a message they've been consistant with month in month out, i just don't see how they can predict something within a short timeframe, and get it so wrong. Just doesn't seem possible to me. They could miss it by a few hundred K, but to fall behind in shipments (let alone sales) by 2 mill for the year, when with 7 weeks to go in the year they say they're going to be #1?
Do you think a bunch of monkeys work at Microsoft or something?

In terms of PS3 shipments, I see 6.5 - 7 mill (with the remaining growth they expect either not happening or being in Q1) In the U.S Anita Fraizer the lady that works for NPD (in some sort of fashion I believe) has said she expects PS3 to be flat yoy in the U.S, October NPD certainly points to that.

all these corporations are nuts

SONY lost $7b on PS3 and MS had a lose of $9.5b on the XBOX project(now to $6.5 thanks to 360 profits)

and if you see ballmer's thinking with iPHONE bet back in 2007,he was very much wrong and they have made other wrong decisions too

so asking such questions where  the company's profits make them seem very clever and people go by this and forget the company's blunders which can be seen in MS's KIN,ZUNE and SONY's PS3 after PS2 success

it happens with all fat ass greedy corporations with buisness heads which don't know or feel that much about the product and just go with market trends

also we have seen this again and again in NPD and VGC and other tracking services that they come with big number but when official numbers come out its a different story as those trackers either don't have full detail of everywhere aka NPD not covering Americas or europe trackers not covering EMEAA so people forget that

and as we have seen that VGC adjusts its number big time


I expect the VGC sales to be almost exactly the same as well.

Nov NPD should be the telltale as to whether they're succeeding with being #1 though, as if they announce they're 'on track to be #1' with only 3 weeks to go before the end of the year it's almost a dead cert. If they go quiet then it looks like they're not doing well. By then we'll be into Dec though and VGC should be giving us a good idea on how sales are going.

So i have take ur predictions as follows:

VGC gap: 2.5m(VGC gap as of last September,the recent MW3 NA boost has made it 2.7m.If you want that tell tell me)

official gap: 3.4m


i have clearly stated in the OP what predictions i am looking for

official numbers : what sony and ms will disclose at the end of JAN as of DEC 2011

VGC numbers: VGC adjusted numbers which vgc puts out after official numbers come out

 

please don't play with that thing where MS or SONY say their shipments are sales to consumer not shipments,that based on company however they manage or distort their sales by supressing shipment or increasing them.

if you have objections to the above number,please tell me and i will remove them or change them