MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
Those Move games all look like shovelware. At least Dance Central 2 is a quality title. nope dance central is shovelware to. any dance game is shovleware, but quality is in the eye of the beholder.
Post MW3, 360 Americas sales will start trumping PS3 EMEAA sales. Watch. (It's only 20k behind now, geez) if you say so, but i'm not a betting man. and if i was i'd still say they'll have sells equal or on par.
BF3 sold 50% as well in EMEAA on the PS3 as it did in Americas, and what really shocks me 10% as well in Japan (that's high!) That gives BF3 roughly a 60% 30% 10% split among the 3 territories. So my point about MW3 and BF3 being much bigger in Americas is still valid. On 360 BF3 sold nearly 4 times as well in Americas as it did EMEAA, so the split is actually about 74% 25% 1% ok i get your point. i got your point when we started but what i said will be the only thing people remember. i'm not talking about how valid the software sells or who got the biggest boost. i'm talking about the only thing people will remeber and thats that PS3 beat 360 ww in a wk 360 was supose to win.
your other debates in this thread have been broken down yr. by yr. but before hand it was about what people remebered. until you have this debate with someone else and they say that BF3 boosted PS3 hardware better then it did for the 360. you'll remeber this and say MDJ told me this would happen.
As for MW3...I think you missed my second point that it will always boost 360 sales more then PS3. I meant that the difference will always be great too, not just that there will be a difference. you underestimate me again. if you reread every post we've made so far you'll noticed i made the most balanced arguement you could make for both consoles to see a significant boost but it always came back to what happened in the past. not matter how much i posted things don't have to repeat themselves if MW3 or any COD wouldn't have a bigger boost on 360 then there would be no reason for the deal with MS and Activsion now would it?
i know what COD in general does for 360 hardware, but to me the end result has never been impressive. sell 10m more hardware and software units then the comp who seems to have better legs with this deal and then you'll have my attention. thats my message to MS. long story short this DLC deal with the exclusive advertisement wasn't worth it if it doesn't help you beat your comp. when you make a deal with a company it has to bare real fruit. has this deal helped 360 beat PS3 in the past 3 yrs ww which is how long the deal was said to last? no it has not so MS would have been better off not making the deal knowing they would see the bigger hardware boost regardless.
Sony could have made the same deal although i doubt it would have helped much, but instead they built up there first party ip, and exclusives are more important to me, but we've been down this road so theres no need for a repeat.
i haven't miss understood anything you've said so far cause on the COD side i agree with you but i persent an open argument pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of the hardware in question. if the multicolor PS3 consoles comeout the same wk MW3 releases then its an equaly up hill battle for the hardware in question. i never said one sided battle nore did i say PS3 will beat 360 when MW3 comes out. i only presented what the boost will do for both. so again PS3 hardware won't be that far behind and if the multicolor consoles come out that wk it won't be that far ahead if its ahead.
For Halo. Halo CEA is significant. Most people getting into Halo now will likely not have played Halo 1 or 2 from last gen, and Halo 1 is the best rated FPS ever. Remaking Halo 1 for the 10 year anniversary could get many new gamers really into Halo. Same logic applies to Zelda with the port of Ocarina of Time, but Halo CEA sales will be bigger because a) it comes with a map pack for Halo: Reach, b) it's $40, c) it's releasing in the peak November period. Halo and Zelda in the same sentence make me laugh lol. Halo ahsn't ben inventiv in a long time. reach is likely the most inventive to date but the first most of the time is always the best. look i'm not saying it won't help it just won't do big numbers. preorders helps us indicate what the first wk sell of sofetware will be, and at this point Halo:CE won't do much of anything. also i'm glad you didn't say Halo is the best FPS of all time cause thats crazy talk, but also opinion.
I'm very interested to see Halo CEAs sales compare to ODST's. Halo:CE won't do half as good as odst did. look at the preorders. as a matter a fact find Halo odst preoders and compare them.
Anyone can be wrong, no matter how big of a scope you look at it with. For all you know you could be looking in the wrong direction all together. Anything is possible, but your still inclined towards certain perceptions of the market. Just saying I think x will outsell y, but it might not, doesn't change the fact that you think x might outsell y. i don't think anything which is why i present an argument for both sides, and i don't remeber saying i think. i have an open perception of the market looking at the logic of the situation.
hey is hell hot because we've been told growing up, or is it cold. hell just might be what ever hell means to you. what ever torcher means to you is likely what hell is.
We have no idea why BO boosted on PS3? I told you. Bundle after E3, and the 2 months after that people were just getting into it on PS3, where most 360 owners already had it. Post Gears, there is more competition on 360, so it makes sense PS3's BO sales are less hindered. so your telling me a bundle from E3 has an affect 5 months latter! your kidding me right?
if your not trying to pull a funny and i love the funny then the only other question i can ask is when did the bundle start? cause if it started just after E3 i simply can't believe the boost or bundle has lasted this long and we'll just have to move on.
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When I say Dance Central is a quality game, it's getting scores above 8/10. It's a well made game. Something like Carnival Games was probably developed by a small studio, and gets scores of 5/10. Dunno any other Kinect/Move exclusive (not w/ ___ support) which scores above 8/10. Dance Central is just as good as Just Dance, which is near the wuality of Guitar Hero. It's a good game.
Your not a betting man? Discussion over...
Nah. :P
I think MS made the map pack exclusive deal with Activision in light os few hardcore, non Kinect exclusives. They realize people stick with XB for online gaming, and this only generate good publicity. Who is to say it didn't help HW and SW sales? Maybe sales would have been much lower without it. Maybe it's those 5 million first week sales which are most affected by it.
Don't multi-coloured PS3 come the week after, Halo week? Didn't we both agree it's a toss up that week? How am I presenting a one sided opinion for Multi-colour week? We have the same opinion. MW3 week is a different story.
Halo CEA pre-ordering almost on par with ODST, but I think it will have better legs because of the price. It's a remake, not the type of game you pre-order.
My point for Halo wasn't about sales, it was about franchise image. Your right Halo hasn't been too inventive (neither has Zelda, common, who are you kidding), and the Story in Halo 3 and Reach heavily depend on the initial story told in Halo 1. Most Halo fans don't care for story because they haven't played the original game which brought light onto most of the enemies, characters and game mechanics. Halo CEA could bring in new fans, and really help with brand image.
d) Halo is the best rated FPS of all time (one of my favorite too, but I'm a Metroid Prime guy)
Anyway. You have an open view of the market, but so do I. Just because I think 360 will sell more units on BF and MW3 week doesn't mean I don't. The rest of the fall is a toss up, but I'm more inclined to say 360 will outsell PS3 a bit (probably not by much), just because of the hostory of the consoles.
BO - "Post Gears, there is more competition on 360, so it makes sense PS3's BO sales are less hindered." This is why BO sells better on PS3 post September. That bundle helped it a bit 2 months before Gears 3 released, for about a month. That one month in between, BO just did better, had a good month on PS3, simple. BO might have stronger legs on PS3, but if it does it's only because 360 has more popular online exclusives to break those legs and make them shorter. (Gears and Halo far outsell Killzone and Resistance, and have a much bigger online community). For the first 6-9 months, CoD has stronger legs on the green side of the console war (logo is green).
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