Twas the Night Before Christmas-Mafia Round 35

[Final-Fan]

Wonktonodi said:

hatmoza said:
Wonk, I'm suspicious of you for a very specific reason. The ill-timed vote on MDJ. Add to that, you're getting way too defensive about my suspicion. I don't care what you said earlier, or what you said to prof. What I care about now is your bandwagoning and defensive attitude. Honestly, I would have expected you to have grown out of the revenge mentality by now.

This whole thing of you, and especially now, stinks. And yes, you are my top suspect at the moment. Even that explanation to apply pressure doesn't make any sense to me...

I mean listen to yourself. This is essentially what you are saying to ToS above, " Why didn't you see my post earlier? I per-emptively explained myself in a conversation with prof. How come you couldn't catch on to that and reach the same conclusion I have? My vote isn't that suspicious now, right?"

It's it's like you had that excuse ready, or literally pulled it out of your ass when people started to question your vote on MDJ. And it wouldn't have been so bad if you explained it once and moved on. I swear I wouldn't even still be talking about it if you weren't so damn defensive about it. ...

As FF requested the break down.  So fist I'll bring up him calling my vote bandwagoning. Before MDJ had come in and revenge voted hat. Here are some posts I had made.

me quoting MDJ and asking questions http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286552

me saying we should put pressure on MDJ  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286558

me explaining to prof why I think we should put pressure on MDJ   http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286586

and after MDJ's revenge votes my vote saying it was time to put the pressure  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286638

How he or anyone can try and argue my vote is a bandwagon vote is beyond me. I was arguing we put pressure on him and did just what I wanted to do.

 

Next up  his trying to say my apply pressure argument doesn't make sense. When it is pretty clear and sufficiently explained in the posts when I made them. My reasons came and then  when I saw MDJ had posted the vote it was a logical order to things. Hat is accusing me of making the case to put pressure on MDJ so I could latter use them as an excuse to vote. Really?  He thinks I was going to talk about putting pressure on MDJ and not vote for him? I was arguing that there should have been more votes to put pressure yet I am someone just jumping on a bandwagon? I don't know how any sane person could come to that conclusion.

He say that if I"Explained it once and moved on".   That is what I had done. Between the post where I voted and the post where hat suspects me I made one more post on the matter.  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4286770

It was at ToS since his defence of me to vette was only on the timing of our votes and had nothing to do with the fact I had been making the points. It was also me saying that I think only two votes isn't good pressure.

I had explained it one and moved on. Yet hat says if I had sone that he wouldn't have been suspicious of me yet after I had moved on he brings it up. Here are the posts where he mentions me.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287122 mentions he doesn't like my vote

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287140 asks ToS about timing of out votes and thinks my vote mentioning pressure was copying ToS when I had been posting putting pressure on MDJ for a while and ToS post doesn't even use the word.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4287144 here he knows the the timing of my vote was the same as ToS yet in the post I am quoting he says this.

"I'm suspicious of you for a very specific reason. The ill-timed vote on MDJ"

So we know that's not the reason. He also says I'm too defensive about his suspicion when all I have been doing is pointing out that other players are playing poorly by not reading my post and jumping to bad conclusions. It just so happend hat had to keep pushing and now I am very sure he is scum. Trying to get the attention on me instead of a least one scum buddies who wasn't paying attention before.

He is going for the argument of defensiveness to try and diminish the fact that Vette Tos and himself had all made some errors. Morenoingrato seems to be just bandwagoning on the arguments of hat and latter ToS

After reviewing the thread, I think that Wonk's defense of his vote is, basically, entirely true. 

1.  He DID repeatedly call for putting pressure on Marcus well before TOS voted, and his vote post was entirely consistent with and followed naturally from those posts. 
2.  He posted this response and although it does come off as defensive it also makes important points:  (a) TOS did not display knowledge of Wonk's earlier posts about pressuring Marcus; (b) Wonk did not consider his vote superfluous considering TOS's own vote, and, in fact, was in favor of even more votes to apply pressure.  So it wasn't a post just to be defensive. 
3.  Then hat jumps in, inflicting the additional indignity of accusing Wonk of parroting TOS when if anything the opposite argument could be made -- not that I really think that's the case.  At this point Wonk really starts getting defensive but I'm not sure I blame him, especially with what a character hat is. 

The case against Wonk based on his alleged parroting is completely baseless.  As for his defensiveness, I think that's pretty flimsy due to the provocation he endured, but OTOH he was pretty defensive even in his first response.  It wouldn't be the first time mafia cracked after being criticized for a mistake they didn't make.