When will the 4th REAL Mario game release? UPDATED!!!!

[lestatdark]

RolStoppable said:

lestatdark said:

Oh I don't object to the notion of the 3D Mario games being considered spin-offs, and I don't think you'll find many on this thread debating that. What's really irking people and what's really selfish from Pyro's part is calling the 2D Nes mario games the only "real" Mario games, and giving each other Mario game as a "unworthy" connoctation and every Mario fan that doesn't see his way as being less of a Mario fan than him. 

People can see the 3D Marios as they see fit, but they aren't less of more of a Mario game than the 2D ones, in worthiness. What Pyro fails to see and respect is the fact that Mario games appeal differently to every set of fans, thus there not being a "true" Mario style of games. You can say that the 2D Nes ones started it all and are the most pure form of Mario games, but every iteration from there added things that appealed more or less to some fans and brought more people to the series. 

Mario, as a whole legacy, shouldn't have a segregation of what is a "true" fan or what is a "true" game. It doesn't work like that for a series so vast and with so many fans behind it. Khuutra said it best in his post, the entitlement of the Retrocore-ism on Pyro's part is the really problem driving his thread (and pretty much every other thread he has created lately).

Pyro seems to be willing to listen, if people actually respect him. Not many people in here even tried to tackle the subject in a levelheaded way, but attacked and ridiculed the idea behind the thread right away without giving it much thought at all. The problem comes from both sides and not even Khuutra is an exception. Of course, Pyro's reaction to the initial responses didn't help at all and made everything worse.

Also, just like the entitlement of retrocore-ism (as you put it) exists, there's an opposing force that puts everything on a higher level just because it features polygon graphics. The biggest difference between the two is that the former are vastly outnumbered by the latter on your average gaming forum.

That's because Pyro's logic leaves no room for discussion. He clearly dictates that his logic is flawless and that basically he alone knows the truth. When you create a thread of such impact using dogmas and not actual arguments, then of course people will attack them and will no reason with them. This is not the 15th century when you could claim to be sole bearer of the truth and get away with it. His threads always fall into that, and quite frankly people are getting tired of it. At least Khuutra tried to reason with him, and what did Pyro did? He called him a troll....yeah, that's the way to go entirely. 

Of course there's an opposing force to retrocore-ism exists and that the 3D worshipers are in much more prevalence nowadays. It's only normal for it to be so, just as the Sprite worshippers were in prevalence over the polygon worshippers back in the transition from the SNES to the PS1/Saturn/N64 era who claimed that there wouldn't be better animations that those found on sprite-based animations. It's wrong on both ways and if someone came here claiming that the 3D Mario games were the "true" ones using the same logic that Pyro had, then I would use the same replies I did. 

Don't get me wrong, my favourite Mario games are the 2D ones, by far. Heck, my entire favourite generation is the sprite one and I've struggled to find 3D games in all my experience to match games such as Secret of Mana II, Lufia II, Terranigma and so on. It's just that I can't stand when either faction goes on claiming that his/hers is the true one and anyone who likes differently is less of a fan.