When will the 4th REAL Mario game release? UPDATED!!!!

[Joelcool7]

RolStoppable said:

It's easy to see that many people are offended by this thread and there are big disagreements on what a real Mario game is, although it shouldn't be that big of a deal. But yet it is and I have an idea why.

If we were to talk about Pokémon and someone declared Red/Blue/Silver/Gold etc. (you know which games I mean) the only real Pokémon games, there would be most likely not much of a problem. Likewise, if someone said that they want a real Pokémon game on a home console, there wouldn't be an upset either.

But when it comes to Mario, it causes huge drama. That's probably because the quality of Mario spinoffs is so exceptional that it doesn't trail behind the main games which are the Super Mario Bros. games. So calling Super Mario 64 and its sequels not real Mario games can be taken as offense, even if it isn't meant to be (although admittedly in this thread's case it was meant to cause a reaction, to what degree though is open for debate).

The Mario brand has managed what no other brand could: It not only defined one genre, but several and it continues to push the boundaries of these genres and remains the top dog. Nothing else has been as dominant and longlasting in this industry.

Super Mario 64 isn't a real Mario game, it only marks the start of a spinoff series, just like Super Mario Kart did. But Super Mario 64 and its sequels are the real, the definitive, 3D platformers.

For this thread's sake, you could replace "real" with "main series", but even then there would be people throwing a fit, because they count the 3D spinoff series towards the total. Spinoff, not the real games, those are terms that people automatically associate with a negative context, because that is the case with just about every brand in existence. Mario is an exception though.

Umm yah this definitly depends on if your talking with a Pokemon fan or not. Because any real Pokemon fan would take offense to someone saying the later Pokemon games were not real Pokemon games. They are real Pokemon games and in fact they share all the same plot lines and gameplay elements. In fact Pokemon remains the same game it always has been at its core despite generations of consoles.

Fact is you can't make a comment that a title is not real simply because you prefer an older title. Pyro isn't even mentioning the legit Mario game that started the whole thing (Donkey Kong) or the first MarioBros game which he calls a tech demo. In fact he doesn't consider SMW a real Mario game either according to the OP. The defence you make above doesn't apply to this situation as it has no basis what so ever.

As for 3D Mario being a spin off. That's one way you could view it but it doesn't hold water in the industry. If you refer to every title that changed when 3D came out then every single franchise since N64 has been a spin-off. This includes the likes of Metal Gear etc...etc... they aren't spin offs they were the natural progression of the technology.

The gameplay elements of Mario titles remained consistent with small improvements from SuperMarioBros (NES) through Mario Galaxy. The platforming and collecting coins and boss battles and the plot and character all remained consistent. Those titles are legit in every way unlike MarioKart for example that actually switched genre's or Paper Mario which was also a new genre.

2D Mario is classic Mario. Another example is Transformers 3D a movie? I mean when movies first came out they lacked volume and colour. So when audio was added and later colour did they cease to be movies? Then when they went HD were they still movies? Then finally when they went 3D are they still movies? Of course they are they still do the same thing they have not drastically changed.

Is a live action a legit film if based on an animation?

Calling a title that is a direct descendant of the franchises past titles. Which features the same characters , plot lines and game play elements is a true sequel. Their is no getting around that! You may prefer the classics and grew up with them you so you have a nostalgic view of them as the originals. But what makes the newer titles less Mario then the old ones? What makes the originals before you started playing not Mario games while the ones you played growing up somehow are?

Pyro is relying entirely on nostalgia and bias to decide which titles are legit and which are not!