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Pyro as Bill said:
Joelcool7 said:

Pyro you have a weird sense behind what is a real Mario game. The 3D Mario titles like it or not are real Mario games they are true sequels and were simply introducing new technology.

Your also forgetting Super Mario World which was a real Mario game in every sense. In fact it is my favorite Mario game to date and seeing it not listed as legit is hilarious. You also forget the real Mario games found on handhelds they are true Mario games from Six Golden Coins to NSMB:DS. They are all real side scrolling Mario titles.

Fact is the franchise has evolved but the primary titles in both 3D and 2D are legit Mario titles. They aren't spin offs yes NewSuperMarioBros is considered its own franchise by some users, but if it is then what makes it a true Mario game?

What the order of release? Well that might make some sense but Miyamoto always wanted to make Mario 3D at the time that was impossible. Mario was always intended to be this way and still hasn't reached Miyamoto's dreams. So are you saying Miyamoto doesn't know what a real Mario game is? I mean the guy made Mario and he obviously doesn't have a clue.

Just because some gameplay styles have evolved over the years doesn't make 3D Mario titles any less legit Mario titles. The fact that this thread misses out on the countless other legit side scrolling Mario's just proves that you have a very personal view of what makes a Mario title! That view isn't based in fact rather nostalgia you write off every title you didn't enjoy as much.

Mario is Mario and I'd say Miyamoto knows what makes a real Mario game and has the right to make the games as he initially invisioned. He created Mario and you think you have the right to tell him what he should have envisioned and what Mario should be?


No, I don't.

I understand exactly what a REAL Mario game is. That's why I win sales bets against people who don't know what a real mario game is.

Can you change your av and sig to something recognising that fact please? 


You clearly do not, you can't possibly not consider SMW an illegitimate Mario title and have any grasp as to what a Mario title is. You also write off the very first Mario game as a tech demo. This shows you have no concept of a legitimate Mario game, you prefer these three Mario games on a personal level and discount the others as not being legit. But that is an opinion and not grounded in any fact what so ever.

Also your bets about Mario games, I did lose a bet to you a very long time ago about the fact that NSMBW would out sell Galaxy. You did end up being right and the bet was I would surrender a year of sig or avatar. I contacted you directly after NSMBW won and asked what you wanted in the sig. I never got a response, I expected you to then contact me with your demand or what you wanted to see however you did not. I realized later on when I tried contacting you again that you had a ban.

Fact is I gave you that year of control, you did not accept it. Its not my fault you never responded to my message or messaged me yourself. It is not my fault you got banned and my later attempts to get a hold of you failed. Fact is the deal expired a long time ago you had ample time to have me post something in my sig and did not respond to my message or message me! That's your loss!

Also just because a 2D Mario game sells better then a 3D Mario title doesn't make the 3D title any less of a Mario title. By that logic Metal Gear Solid 1,2,3,4 are not actually legit Metal Gear Solid games, Sonic Adventure isn't a legit game, Doom3 isn't a legit game heck almost every single franchise that has existed from the NES/SNES era onwards are not legit games. I mean 3D changed every single game it touched and by your standards none of them are really legit!

That is a twisted belief, however you then go further and not even acknowledge the 2D Mario games. MarioBros(Arcade/Atari2600), SuperMarioWorld (SNES), NewSuperMarioBros:DS, All the Mario games on GB.

If you want to get technical none of the Mario games you listed are legitimate none hold the gameplay of the first Mario game. None maintain much of a reference what so ever to Mario (Jumpman). Donkey Kong was the first Mario game and none of the future Mario titles you mention or even I mention actually represent Mario as he was when he was created.

Face it Mario has evolved and your Mario favorites are no less Mario games then Donkey Kong which my mom and I played or the MarioBros title on Atari2600 or the Mario 3D titles that followed or the Mario 2D titles you conveniently ignore because you personally don't think they match your exact idea of what a Mario game is!



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer