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kowenicki said:
Reasonable said:
kowenicki said:
daveJ said:
Software numbers seem very low
ignoring the included game, it looks to be a brought attach ratio of about 1.5, ie lower than the psp which as we all known is terrible for software excluding Japan.
Is the move doing as badly software wise?


Well if we look at MOVE only titles, as we must when considering this... many times worse I would have thought. 


Move titles I'm sure have had even less impact than Kinect.  For this thread though, given the table has Forza and other optional Kinect titles we should also count Killlzone 3, etc in the same class with Move.

Not really, and you know thats bogus.  We will never know how many % play optional move titles wiht move, but Im willing to bet it is tiny.

But yeah, including "better with kinect" is bogus too imo if that clarifies my argument. 

If we want to see the relative success of the two add-ons then it is Move only titles v Kinect titles.... the comparison would be startling.

I'd be happy either way, I just like "apples to apples" comparisons - i.e. all Move vs all Kinect or include titles with optional support as a seperate category.

TBH if you remove the optional stuff neither has proven too hot for sales IMHO.  Kinect got some nice early titles on the back of the big marketing push but since then it's been fairly terrible looking at The Gunstringer most recently for example.  Move is not doubt worse.  Since it's early batch of titles there's been nothing good specific to Move (removing LBP2, Killzone 3, etc. from the equation).  But Kinect is only better in terms of doing a less terrible job than Move not in terms of been a good platform for games in its own right.  Unlike with the Wii interest has clearly nosedived after the forced push at launch down to niche peripheral levels, and I'm pretty sure that if it wasn't for the Kinect bundles being competitively priced sales would be even worse.

Since Wii sales have really dipped and will Gears 3, etc. doing strong and Uncharted 3 looking like the next big PS3 exclusive I feel attention has slipped away from both peripherals back to more mainstream titles.  Sony seem to have little interest in Move currently, and in fact if anything they're putting more focus on optional titles support than Move specific, while MS seems to be on autopilot with Kinect.

We'll see if either company can improve interest over the holidays, but it's interesting to note that for both peripherals the most interesting looking stuff is optional, such as the Forza/Kinect utilization.

As I noted earlier, in hindsight it seems both lauched just as interest was moving away from the concept the Wii had originally championed.



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