sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
oniyide said:
spurgeonryan said:
Are there a lot of games on the ps3 that support move? I know they had there initial launch games.but I hae not heard about too many since then. |
There is a hell of alot more than Motion+, ill tell you that, and just about as much as Kinect. THe support is actually pretty good, considering how little it has sold. The problem is people dont know about them
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As I said before, Move support on games that use a joystick will do little to sell Move hardware.
Casual gamers rather buy a Wii or Kinect. Core console gamers clearly prefer joysticks. The Move is a flop and Sony is just gonna keep it under the radar.
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What's your definition of a flop. |
When a product has less market share then the competitors. And/or when the performance of the product fell below corporations expectations.
Id say Move was a flop.
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If that were the case, then every shooter that was outsold by CoD is a flop. Every fighting game that was outsold by Super Smash bros is a flop. Every platforming game that was outsold by NSMBWii is a flop. The X360 is a flop. All of these are obviously untrue. 3-5m units is a number that Sony rarly sees & I'm pretty sure they're happy with what they've sold & the money they've made. I highly doubt they regret the release of Move. Sure, they would be happier if they had more sales, but you could say the same about Kinect, or any product for that matter.
Also, we have no concrete evidence on what Sony's expectations were. We don't know if or how much, the Move met their expectations. 'Wants' are different from 'expectations'. I'm pretty sure Sony envies MS Kinect success, but that doesn't translate into their product being a failure.
The Move flopping is an illusion caused by the huge success of Kinect. |
Hardware performance is a different subject matter then software performance. Those game examples mean nothing.
360 has surpassed origional Xbox sales by more then double and is gonna see a 10 year lifespan. Im sure that goes in with MS's expectations. On top of that, MS really only sees Sony as their main competitor. 360 still has a 3 million lead. So I have no idea where you think the 360 is a flop.....
I have no concrete evidence but I also have common sense. Sony clearly wanted the market that bought Kinect but lost out. A 5 million user base after a year isnt exactly something to brag about. Move flopping is a fact, not illusion, cause by the success of kinect.
Its ok, you dont work for Sony. A product flopping has no effect on us, unless there are feelings of fanboyism.
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Why is it different? You're saying that Kinect outselling Move makes Move a flop. Why is 'your' rule different for hardware? Please, educate me.
You're 360-outselling-XB argument is flawed because the Move outsold PSEYE by a large margin also.
Like I said, 'wants' are not expectations. They're wants. The fact is the Move acquired a large market & brought in a large amount of profit. Kinect's huge success doesn't diminish that fact.
I never said I worked for Sony, nor have I implied that this effects me personally. I'm simply discussing popular a sales topic. In the process, I'm neglecting any irrelevant comments. I'll ask you to do the same to prevent derailment. |
Well sir the main difference is that hardware sales are long term and can fluctuate over years. Software typically starts high and then drops down within a year of release and are eventually forgotten. Exceptions of the rule aside, thats the main difference and thats why using software examples to prove a hardware point is meaningless.
Well my original definition of a flop was lower sales to a competitor and/or not meeting expectations. Even with your game points the sales could have still met the projections of the developer.
The 360 argument is not flawed because I showed how it not only met MS projections by succeeding as much as it did over its predecessor but its also still ahead of the PS3 by 3 million. I could care less about The move outselling the even bigger flop PSEYE, my point was about 360.
Its a simple fact: it was Move vs Kinect last holiday. Kinect won. Sony lost. Move flopped commercially to its competitor. We dont know Sonys expectations but cmon man, surely they were higher then........this
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