Poll: Israel or Palestine?

[badgenome]

superchunk said:

badgenome said:

sapphi_snake said:

I must've misunderstood your post.

And regardign C, hey, they left, it's no longer theirs anymore. The Jews who currently live in Israel came from Europe a couple of decades ago. Palestinians have been living there for centuries. They're more natives to the land than the Jews are. Sucks for the Jews that they're trying to perform ethnic cleansing in the 21st century.

 

They didn't "leave", they were driven out. But never entirely, as there has always remained a Jewish minority, and since the ruling Ottomans allowed more Jews to return to Palestine and purchase land there over the centuries, the idea that their presence is somehow illegitimate seems dodgy at best and repugnant at worst.

1) Nearly all of Jews in Israel in 1948 came from Europe. Even now there is a very high number of 1st year or 2nd gen Jews living there.

2) The Mosque on the Temple Mount has stood longer than both Temples combined. That in itself says a lot for whom has lived in that land the longest.

3) The Jews only legally owned about 60% of the land given to them in 1948 and of course have stolen far more sense then and continue to do so now.

When you look at things with out a biased history lesson you'll see that Israel's creation was the result of racism, European colonialism, and simply that the European Jews invading were far more powerful than the native Arabs who had been under Turkish/Ottoman control. Additionally, the British even broke their WWII agreement with Arabs over Palestine. THey had agreed that if the Arabs work with them to defeat Ottoman's then any area with an Arab majority would fall to Arab control. Palestine is the only area this did not happen... even though in 1945 Arabs (Muslim and Christian) were still over 85% of the population. Hell, in 1948 Arabs were still 60% of the population.... after all the illegal immigration.

Certainly, the whole situation says a lot about the inherent problems with mass immigration and multiculturalism, although that's not the lesson anyone ever seems to draw from it. But I can't say I understand your logic. Firstly, I'm not sure why itreally matters, but history shows that the Jews have undeniably been there far longer than anyone else since they were never completely eradicated to begin with, even if they were a minority for much of the time. Leaving that aside, are you saying that when the Arabs rioted against their Jewish neighbors and tried to give them the bum rush, it was totally cool because the Jews only owned 60% of their land anyway? That seems like a rather peculiar justification, the kind you usually get when someone is clutching at straws for a flimsy moral reason when they've actually chosen sides out of a more tribalistic loyalty to one particular side. I somehow don't think you'd be so sympathetic to the Swedes or the French if they decided they've had their fill of their uppity Muslim immigrants and moved to reclaim Malmö or the banlieues by force, after all.