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vlad321 said:
Final-Fan said:
vlad321 said:  why the fuck are you rehabilitating pre-meditated murder convicts?

If it works and they come out the other end as productive, peaceful members of society, why not?  Revenge?  Is that more important than stopping the cycle of crime?  Would it really be better to have them miserable in prison and then they get out and murder again? 

The last two minutes of the second video talks about this. 

Let's assume it works (I don't, but let's go with it) for the sake of this argument. What exactly is this cycle of crime? I am thinking that if you outright execute the pre-meditated murder convitcs, you literally end the cycle right then and there. You don't take any chances with the possibility of them killing again, and justice is, at least a little bit (some crimes I've heard about probably deserve to be punishable by extreme torture too), served.

And what about the cost?  With a punishment as extreme and final as death you have to be as certain as possible that the convicted are in fact guilty.  That is why they spend so long on death row getting appeal after appeal.  Even then, DNA tests have exonerated more than a few death row convicts, some posthumously, IIRC.  And you propose extending this extremely costly process by orders of magnitude, to thousands of people per year?  I am thinking that you have no idea what your proposal would cost the society you're allegedly trying to help. 



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