3DS vs. Vita

[Rainbird]

Deadlikeme said:

Rainbird said:

Deadlikeme said:

I disagree with alot of what you put in pros and cons for starters with 3DS

1."Some big third party franchises (Monster Hunter, for example)" PSV is going to have that franchise as well as most other 3DS franchises I don't think there are any exclusive 3rd party franchises for the 3DS. 

2. "Glasses-free 3D" is this really a pro? All the advantages of 3D get taken away with it being on such a small screen that is likely to move around a bit, also you can't use gyroscope and 3D at the same time. 

3. "- Head start over competition- Unanswered holiday period in 2011 in US and EMEAA regions" Redundant, Just leave it at headstart. 

4. Lack of 3rd party support needs to be in cons

5. Can't use gyroscope and 3D at same time needs to be in cons

Now for psv

1. Didn't mention enhanced BC with digital psp games (psp games will beable to use second analogue)

2. Didn't mention massive third party support (153 devs making games for it as well as Sony)

3. Didn't mention 3G option in pros

4.  "No clear system selling games (like Nintendo's first party/Monster Hunter)" Um Uncharted and does anyone believe there isn't going to be a Monster hunter on psv, really?... This should not be here. 

5. "Debuting at a higher price" It's going to be the same price 3ds was when it debued. 

6. " No UMD option" I would call that a pro, UMDs are bulky and the drives break easy, it's a really bad medium and would just clutter the system, I'd leave this out.

The points that are left are the ones where you have a case (and the bolded ones are those where you only sort of have a case).

3DS

1. Nobody said anything about exclusive franchises. And anyway, the 3DS still has stuff like Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Kingdom Hearts, etc.

2. The only way it would have been a con is if it had been made with glasses.

3. You're sort of correct, though I think the original phrasing is fine as well.

4. What lack of third party support? How do you measure this? And just because the 3DS doesn't have a slew of great third party games right now, doesn't mean it's not getting support.

5. Sort of correct as well, though I personally fail to see how it would have any impact on how the 3DS performs overall.

Vita

1. True.

2. There's no need to mention developers, just show the games. But until we see release dates for those games everybody seems to be working on, the Vita is no better than the 3DS.

3. True.

4. Uncharted is not on the level of Monster Hunter, and until there is an actual Monster Hunter game confirmed for the Vita, MH has no business on any list of pros for the Vita.

5. It's a matter of interpretation. Yes, the cheapest Vita SKU will be the same price as the 3DS was when it launched, but the 3DS is notably cheaper when the Vita debuts.

6. No UMD option is a bad thing for all those PSP owners who sit with their unplayable backlog. Sony wouldn't have had to build UMD support into the Vita, merely give people a way to play the games they already own on a console that is backwards compatible with their games.

3DS

1. Then it should be in pros for PSV too or not on the list at all. As psv is getting most of those franchises and many many more.

2. I'm not saying it's a con, I just don't really see it as a pro. 

3. It should only be one point, maybe reworded as "headstart including unopposed holidays in EU and NA"

4. Third parties are pulling out not more diving in and that's with a headstart, with psv it seems to be the opposite. 

5. Thought we were talking about the merits of the device not how much it would sell. It's a con. 

PSV

2. Don't you think that's a little unfair, tons of games are being made for it and a ton of devs are getting behind it and more are comming, how is that not a pro? Just because the device isn't out yet? 

4. Really that's the arguement you are going with. Uncharted is definately a system seller saying otherwise is just wrong and it's not on a list it's just well known to people who are going to buy psv that they will get a monster hunter game, so I don't see how one being on 3DS too will effect that. Not to mention you'll already beable play the psp monster hunter with the second analogue on psv. 

5. To me that just goes in with the headstart thing and seems a little redundant. 

6. It remains to be seen if any accessories will be out for psv that lets you play UMDs, and again no UMD is a pro for the actual system, it shouldn't be on the list.

Also, really you think 3DS should get 3rd party in pros and Vita shouldn't despite vita having much more third party support?

3DS

1. Debatable, I'll leave it to the OP to decide if it should be fitted under the Vita as well.

2. Agree to disagree then?

3. Different strokes I guess, I still don't see a reason to actually change the OP for it. It's not the size of the list that matters, it's how you use it.

4. How are you judging that third parties are jumping overboard? Admittedly, a few games have been cancelled in the last few months, but several games are still coming along nicely, and new ones have been announced. I don't see how that's a "lack of third party support".

5. I'll rephrase then: I don't think it matters.

Vita

2. The 3DS had a huge list of developers supporting it before it released as well. A list of developers who support a platform proves very little.

4. You may think MH on the Vita is certain, but this is a list of real pros and cons, not guesswork. If it's not confirmed, it has no place on there. Guessing that everyone is expecting a Monster Hunter game on it, and therefor it's a system seller is even worse. And I'm not saying Uncharted doesn't sell systems, I'm saying I don't think the effect is significant enough. If Sony had put Gran Turismo on there, it could have been a whole other story.

5. Maybe a rephrasing would be better. The Vita is expensive after all.

6. Sony have said they're looking into a solution for Japan, but nothing is currently planned for the other territories. If you live outside Japan, right now all we know is that Sony don't have any plans to help with playing your UMD PSP games, and that's why it's a con.

As for the last point, refer to 3DS #1.