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RolStoppable said:
You have a warped perception of reality, you really do. 1) I guess you skip over the posts that point out how flawed your ideas are. Whether it is gaming, politics or whatever else, there seems to be a consensus on these forums that most of the time you have no idea what you are talking about. Umm yah you see I actually try to read all posts in my threads and I do not skip over any points that point out flaws.If I did I wouldn't be replying to you right now, I'd simply ignore you. I correct any flaws found such as the one in my thread that said Monster Hunter was no more important to Japan then Grand Theft Auto was to the western market. I was aware of the software numbers but didn't realize how little software sales occured in Japan outside of MH. As soon as I realized I was wrong I acknowledged that. Also you must not actually follow my posts in the off-topic section. If you did you'd realize that my posts on religion and politics do get a lot of support. I am rarely called out and when I do get called out I quickly fix the problems. As for general consensus, lol which general consensus? You and Gumby? Who else, I have yet to be approached by other users about these flaws. If there is a general consensus then nobody had the balls to say anything till you did. If thats the case bravo. Also if my threads were so flawed and there is a general consensus I talk out my ass, then why do I get so many views and replies? If users truly hated my posts and threads they wouldn't participate in them. Or they would definatly not support me in them. In every thread I get opposition I always have supporters with the exception of some of the posts I make regarding gay marriage and such. 2) I said Nintendo will always lose the battle over the teenager demographic and their sales will decline whenever they pick this fight. Logically, this implies that I was talking about the SNES, N64 and GC, not just one single generation. If Nintendo always focused on being an actual family console, then they wouldn't have had to change their mind with the Wii and set the goal that it has to be a system that mothers want in their living rooms. Before the Wii, Nintendo tried to appeal to the teenager demographic with their home consoles (except for the NES which was a family console too), but the marketing of their competitors had it easy to portray Nintendo as kiddy despite games like Goldeneye or Resident Evil being on their consoles. Now so that there is no misunderstanding. I personally believe Nintendo should target everyone, not just teens, girls, children, soccer moms or any demographic. If they have products that appeal to all of them then they will see success. Source, as well Ron Bertram of Nintendo Of Canada announced that Nintendo was targeting the teenage male audience with DS at a press conference. In fact the first commercials targeting teenage males started airing in Canada at the end of the GameBoy Advance era when Nintendo realized that it was loosing the teenage demographic. Nintendo has always targeted family as such they have targeted all members of the family. According to Nintendo their target market for games with DS was males 5-17 and female teenagers. The other members of the family being targeted just further proves that Nintendo is focusing on the entire family. With their past consoles they didn't target females specifically. Also why did Sony have so much success targeting the male and teenage demographic if its a fight Nintendo can't possibly win? You can't deny that PSOne and PS2 were two of the most successful game consoles in history and both of them targeted the demographic you so blatantly deny is important. In the end Nintendo has always primarily targeted family. At times releasing products and advertising targeting males and females as well as adults. In truth the DS and Wii targeted everyone Nintendo could possibly get, however according to the company itself the primary target remains family. Also you mention NES, lol have you seen the ads that launched NES? Did you see Nintendo's press releases at the time. They targeted teenage males with NES just as much as they did any other time in their past. NES being more of a family console then SNES is hilarious. Teenagers have always been a huge market for game companies. But Nintendo never focused entirely on teenagers as you suggest. Nintendo always targeted families making games that children, teenagers and parents could all enjoy. This hasn't changed since NES it simply evolved with Wii/DS as Nintendo specifically made products that were geared towards girls , soccer mom's and grandparents. Nintendo never changed its target audience it simply expanded it.
The Nintendo DS absolutely did not focus on teenagers and young males. Where do you even get that from when Nintendo's own data shows an even split between males and females among DS owners? As I showed above and based on Nintendo's actual press conferences and spokesman Nintendo definitely did target teenage males with the launch of DS. Its okay, Nintendo targeted everyone at some point during DS's life but their initial target was male teenagers. Unless you think that Nintendo's DS ads actually were created to target girls and soccer mom's and the rest of the family?
3) You seem to have trouble to make the distinction between direct and indirect competition. Of course Nintendo indirectly competes against any sort of entertainment. But going on the offensive means to directly compete with somebody else based on the very same or similar conditions and rules. This means that the Wii would have featured drastically more horsepower and a focus on online gaming, if it was supposed to directly compete with the PS3 and 360. Also, Nintendo didn't aim at a niche market with the Wii, this is as idiotic as your DS comment on the previous point. Sony and Microsoft targeted teenagers and young males, Nintendo everyone else without completely locking out teenagers and young males. So Nintendo aimed for the mass market while Sony and MS focused on a niche. No I do not, I specifically said an indirect attack and not direct. Indirect competition is still competition and no matter how you spin it Nintendo has always considered all game consoles competition. Definition of Niche market "A niche market is the subset of the market on which a specific product is focusing; therefore the market niche defines the specific product features aimed at satisfying specific market needs, as well as the price range, production quality and the demographics that is intended to impact." Yes this matches Nintendo's strategy with DS and Wii perfectly. The Nintendo DS didn't lose Nintendo's core customers, if anything it only grew them. And how in the world is the 3DS supposed to attract the DS audience when it initially had hardly any games released that appealed to the DS audience? There is a reason why people compare the DS to the SNES and the 3DS to the N64 and Gamecube. The available software is vastly different, that's why. The 3DS is at risk to lose Nintendo's loyal customers. Umm Nintendo expanded its user base greatly with DS, however they lost alot of there old customers. Ask on any gaming forum and you'll get over whelming results of gamers who left Nintendo with Wii/DS. Now yes Nintendo gained more consumers who weren't gamers, but they lost a lot of their core audience. The consumers who have been buying Nintendo products since the NES. I guess Nintendo is simply trying to win back the fans they lost, in doing so they are partially neglecting the new fans they gained. However I don't doubt that Nintendo will definitely launch software that will appeal to the new crowd. P.S isn't it you who constantly denies the existence of casual and hardcore software? How isn't Mario Kart or Super Mario 3D Land and such any less appealing to the new DS audience unless the new DS audience and the old Nintendo audience aren't the same. If the fact is that the new DS audience and Nintendo's old user base is not the same how would you differentiate them? I don't even know how to reply to the last bit. What I know is that most people on this site understand my line of thinking perfectly fine, so this suggests that the problem lies with you, not me. No, I don't think that Western third parties are important for Nintendo's handheld business. Rol you are a very well liked member of this forum. You have a lot of followers and some people do support your line of thinking. I too have many users who based on posts in my threads like the one about Apple being a threat to Nintendo definitely share my line of thinking. The problem isn't you or I , its simply the fact we both support different view points. The day when I have absolutely no support in my threads is the day I stop making threads. But fact is I do have support from users in my threads. With the exception of my conservative posts, however you'll note I do not create religious threads or topics in which I know I have no support and will only cause trouble. 4) I hope you use the word "spin-off" for NSMB as in SMB being a spinoff of the original Donkey Kong where Mario made his first appearance. Umm yes and no.Fact is Donkey Kong and Mario games are completely different, the gameplay was completely unique and featured different characters other then Mario. Spin-off might be the wrong term for it, maybe a better term is sub-series. Nintendo brought Mario in a different direction bringing him 3D, then created this new sub-series of games that bring him back to his roots. You yourself call NSMB a franchise which is equally as stupid as me calling NSMB a spin-off. I agree spin-off might be the wrong terminology the same way franchise is. NSMB is part of the Mario franchise, it is not an independent entity. It features the same characters, plot lines and game play of the Mario franchise. I can't remember having said that, but oh well. It appears you see what you want to see. Nintendo's biggest games sell for years, so according to your logic they should never release anything new, because then their games would eat each others' sales. And sure, Wii Sports and Wii Fit really weren't that big. So much for checking VGC data before making posts. lol, your right Nintendo's games have legs. But look at how Galaxy's sales dropped upon the release of Galaxy 2. Or the dip in 3D Mario sales with the release of NSMB. I never suggested Nintendo shouldn't create anything new "It appears you see what you want to see" I simply suggested Nintendo couldn't rely entirely on new and small IP's for four years. They need to spread out their releases of established titles. I did check the VGC data, fact is the established franchises did pretty good. Are you suggesting that Nintendo could have survived all these years of Wii without those franchises? If they could then what the heck is with your whole push for Nintendo's core franchises? You yourself said that NSMB is needed for 3DS to be success yet in another post will say new and smaller IP can support a platform for a whole generation. I stated several games from the same franchise launching simultaneously would eat each others sales. NSMB would cut down Super Mario 3D Lands sales. Mario Kart and Paper Mario would also be contending loosing sales from competing with other titles within the same franchise. People are already upset with franchises becoming annual, imagine how upset they would be if Nintendo released all the Mario games at once. It really isn't like suggesting that Microsoft should release Halo 4-6 in one year. Besides, it's not like Nintendo has the necessary manpower to launch all of their major IPs within one year anyway. But their big games are what sell their systems, so they need to be made as soon as possible, otherwise the system struggles. Just look at the 3DS where it's going to be eight months before the first actual killer-app is going to be released. I'm confused you just barely argued that the new and smaller IP's could sell their systems. You made a decent point now you say their major IP's do. Make up your mind, if you think major IP's do then Mario Kart and Super Mario 3D Land should be more then good enough to satisfy you. I really don't disagree Nintendo should have had a killer App at launch. I think the first real killer apps are Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land.Nintendo tried appealing to the DS crowd with the launch of 3DS launching the second highest selling franchise from the DS (Nintendogs) and Mario Kart coming this winter was the third highest selling title for DS. I can't see how you figure Nintendo is ignoring the DS audience. What titles do you think Nintendo needs to target the DS audience? Brain Training? NSMB? whats left after those other then Pokemon. Also new IP on GBA and DS never found the huge success that Wii had with their new IP. Other then Nintendogs and Brain Age what other new or smaller IP really made a splash on DS? How could these new IP support the 3DS on their own, as you suggested in the last paragraph? 5) That didn't address my point at all. I said that Apple has nothing that can replace Super Mario Bros. which implies that Nintendo's market is safe, hence Nintendo doesn't need to go on the offensive. This is the central point of this topic and so far you've completely failed to explain why Nintendo should even consider Apple a serious threat. This is why people are ridiculing you. The best thing you've got so far is Iwata stating that Apple is Nintendo's enemy of the future. But alas, this story was completely made up. You should have checked Google before making this thread, I guess. Iwata didn't specifically say Apple, he said 99cent smart phone games. Iwata states that the cheap smart phone games are destroying the industry and are unsustainable. I don't need to check Google I followed the keynote.See my OP below, you'll see I never said anything false. You made that up completely, Iwata has directly said that 99cent cell phone games are the biggest threat to the industry. He was obviously refering to iOS software and that was what was widely reported and everyone agreed that it was what he was getting at. Reggie "Angry Birds is a great piece of experience, but that is one compared to thousands of other pieces of content that for one or two dollars I think actually create a mentality for the consumer that a piece of gaming content should only be two dollars."
6) I didn't know that, but it perfectly explains why your perception of reality is so warped. "DS was targeted at teenagers and young males, Wii aimed for a niche, DS lost Nintendo loyal customers, etc." Umm how is my reality warped. Nintendo specifically stated with their early ad campaign with DS that their target audience for those ads were teenage males. "Niche Marketing can refer to both marketing and business choice. In and of itself, niche marketing refers to finding a segment of the general market for a service or product line. One then develops a solution for the needs of that segment and then markets to it to get the word out. Let’s take a look at an example using one of the biggest companies in the world." Nintendo DS wasn't alone in loosing loyal customers so was Wii. The fact that Nintendo gained tons of new customers doesn't mean they didn't loose a ton. Its evident here on VGChartz and other forums. If you go to PAX or a game convention and talk to many gamers you will hear that they grew up with Nintendo but have lost interest most recently. It didn't just happen due to Wii and DS it started back with GameCube in a big way. But Wii and DS were the tipping point for many gamers. I don't know a single Nintendo gamer anymore in person. When I was in University there was a ton, in high school a ton. But every single Nintendo gamer I know has left Nintendo for Sony and Microsoft. But of course a lot of users don't acknowledge my personal experiences. Why don't you create a thread on the Gaming discussion board and ask how many loyal Nintendo users were turned off by Wii and DS. I read countless threads about how gamers bought DS and Wii but they are gathering dust or have been sold. Why because Nintendo lost those loyal customers. The fundamental for this thread is an article stating that Iwata has declared Apple the enemy of the future. It was a made up story that was posted all over the internet, because gaming journalists post everything negative about Nintendo without thinking twice. The rug has been pulled from under this thread or however the saying goes. Umm read above, I never stated Iwata directly declared Apple the enemy of the future.Denying that he didn't indirectly is stupid if you listened to or followed his latest key notes. Iwata did everything short of specifically naming Apple and so has Reggie. Both have stated that 99cent downloadable titles are the threat. Of course this means that Android is also considered a threat to Nintendo. Maybe I should have re-titled the thread how can Nintendo go on the offensive against smart phones, would that have made you feel any better? Listen to Iwata's GDC keynote! And please, if you reply to this post, then don't add another five to ten points, if you can't even properly address the existing ones. Alright as per requested I did not add points I only responded to your questions! |
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