Player1x3 said:
zarx said:
Player1x3 said:
zarx said:
| Player1x3 said:
Ok, lets do this step by step.
1.I never said in ANY way, I said God exposes himself to people trough FAITH
2.I beleive its so, because it makes sense, if people actually SAW God while alive with their eyes, people would become largely dependant on him and loose free will, and that would go directly against his divine plan.
3.Again, I was talking about God's direct visual appereance to the world, as that would be ''the only ultimate proof'' of his existance, all others, would be refutable, and said that his appereance would directly damage his divine plan. I never denied that God can interact or even speak to some people, I only claimed he doesnt do that in visual appereance. God works in mysterious ways, after all :)
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So what you are saying is that the only way that God exposes himself to humans is through them deciding that there is a god? That is kinda ilogical, if God only exposes himself to people that already belive in his existance how did the first human to have faith learn of God?
That doesn't make sense if god reveald himself to everyone and told them he would not interfear with their lives in any way, how would people rely on him? I mean plenty of religious people do rely on God some extriemests even go as far as avoiding modern medicine because they think they can rely on god to fix all that ails them.
How could you possibly know he has a devine plan, exposing himself would hurt said plan if you disregard all holly texts?
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Are you saying that unless a person is religious, he cant possibly know of God? Thats pretty illogical. Knowledge and awarness of God is available to everyone, in fact 6.2 billion people are religious, weather or not you want to beleive in him is another thing. God pretty much gave us the power of creating our will, which means if one beleives there is no afterlife/God, he wont see or live trough one. If one truely and correctly does, he will. Its only logical, wouldnt you agree. And I believe God doesnt want anyone to rely on them at all, unless something is is beyond their power of doing, which is rarely the case.
Because God isnt only described in holy texts. I've read a book once, called ''Conversations with God'' which really opened my eyes on his deity. I recommend you check it out. Its where I gathered about 70% of my knowledge of God
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No I thought that was what you were argueing you said "I never said in ANY way, I said God exposes himself to people trough FAITH" which seems to emply that you belive that God only interacts directly with people of faith. I was arguing if that was true how did the belife in god start if god only interacted with people who already belived. Unless you are arguing that God doesn't exist outside of human thought just like the tooth fairy? But that would seem to conflict with your other belifes.
As for Conversations with God book series, I generally avoid taking works of fiction writen by someone with aprent mental problems as fact. Hairing voices in your head is a suprisingly common symptom of mental illness and is often triggered by great emotional or physical distress, the author claims to have started hearing voices while at a low period in his life and writing an angry letter to God asking questions about why his life wasn't working. At least writing the series of books seems to have been theroputic for him (talking about the voices is known to help sufferers) I don't think people reinforcing his delusions is healthy.
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You are asking a very dumb question here to be honest. ''How did belief in God started?'' I mean seriously? People believed in higher power ever since their mind was developed enough to ask questions. Belief in Christian God was started by son of God himself, and its religion puts a lot more emphasis on ''correct faith'' than any other religion out there. A person is free to start having faith in God any time he/she wants. If your asking how human kind as whole started believing in in higher power in th first place, thats another topic and this thread is probably most derailed one on the site, so no need to go there.
As for the book, the writer didnt actually speak to God in literal meaning of the word, you can say he had a spiritual enlightment, and all the stuff he says about God in the books makes perfect sense and doesnt go agianst any other religion or science. The world conversation is only used to atract customers and readers
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First on the book the auther himself in an interview claimed to hear a dissambodied voice that "may have been" the "voice of god" in his head... Hearing dissembodied voices not a good sign TBH. The rest he made up and sold and if your belifes are an acurate reflection of the book it does conflict with most religions, and much of it seems to be more excuses as to why promises made in relegious texts are not forfilled and why a all powerful and all knowing being doesn't seem to actually do anything anymore.
Now you seem to be contredicting yourself, earlier you said that God doesn't interact with humans and doing so would mess with his devine plan, later you changed that to only interacts though faith. But now you claim the the son of God (a physical manifestation of God that interacted with people) started the christian faith? Sorry but you can't have it both ways does God directly interact or not?
And what is your evidence for the bold claim that faith in a higher power is an inate traight of humanity? There are plenty of poeple that don't belive such a thing and many cultures (a minority true but they exist) that don't have a defined religious higher power. I think it would be acurate to say that curiosity as to the nature of aspects of the world is an inate aspect of humanity but a "higher power" (or the concept of a human like entity that crafted and controls the world) is an easy metaphor for why the world is how it is, and more importantly easy for kids to to grasp and understand because humans can easally be observed shaping and controling the worl around them. Which is why most dayities are human in form and often resemble tradesmen in how they work and act. Over the years a lot of fluff has been added to them as is the nature of oral traditions where story tellers will often embelish the storys and change to suit their audiance.
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