Prove that God exists

[Runa216]

padib said:

Okay, thanks for the reboot. For all here I just want to let you know that I've begun reading a book called "The case for Christ". I have also taken the time to examine some claims in this wikipedia article and my research is progressing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

My hope is that this thread will not die out by the time I feel ready to come back to sapphi and final_fans' rebuttals of my 4 main points stated earlier. In the meantime I highly encourage you all to get a copy of the book "The case for Christ" ->
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation/dp/0310209307

About this reboot post, I do much prefer the tone of it and I'd like to encourage you Runa in the right direction. We all feel the anger from your previous posts so this is a breath of fresh air and I'm sure the others would agree.

Having said that, I still disagree with the position. Even if God were to be proven, it still gives noone the right to shove any belief into any one else's throught, be it Christianity, Islam, or even Atheism, EVEN evolution. To deny that honesty and fairness for all ideologies is to play by double standards and it's not honest. So evolution has not been proven, I'm certainly not convinced. Should my children have to learn it? Or should they have to learn it as fact? Why aren't they taught the alternatives.

Now, even so, I believe your animosity towards religions of any sorts can be demonstrated in your hostility towards door to door witnesses. Why is that proof to me? Well, has it ever been considered an offense when a telemarketer calls to homes? No, it's perfectly legal. Annoying yes :) I'll grant you, but perfectly legal and acceptable and moral and what-have-you. So yeah I do think you're taking it way too far. On the contrary, I believe it is the position of the scientific agenda that ennerves me, in that alternative theories to the origin of life is not given proper attention, is ridiculed, and constantly played stick-man with. It's pathetic honestly and has no place to be. That's what people should be complaining about, not you. You actually have nothing to complain about, unless in fact someone is, legitimately, shoving his beliefs down your throat. Then yes, you have a point and I will never argue with you on that. But door to door, you are definitely taking it too far, and have things to introspect yourself on the position you adhere to, and understand the frustration of faith communities that do not agree with evolution and would like all children to be exposed to a fair dose of shared time on origins.

It's worth noting that, in spite of how antitheist I am, I have always believed Jesus (and many figures in the bible) are real people.  That said, proving Jesus was real and was as he was portrayed in the bible is not a strong case that God exists, just that a dude named Jesus existed and he was a pretty cool dude.  Plenty of people in the modern world claim to be the reincarnation of jesus, or claim to be another son of god, but the thing is, that doesn't mean they are.  In another thread, some dude claimed he could fly, doesn't mean he can.  

"Even if God were to be proven, it still gives noone the right to shove any belief into any one else's throught, be it Christianity, Islam, or even Atheism, EVEN evolution" 

Now this...I pretty much stopped reading there.  Nobody 'pushes' evolution, it's a scientific fact until proven otherwise.  To deny that simply because the church has a problem with it is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about here.  Evolution HAS been proven, as well as we can prove it, there are no alternatives that come even remotely close to explaining things on the level Evolution has.  that said, this is not a thread about evolution, keep that debate elsewhere because it discredits your other point when you drag that in here. 

I'm not taking it too far, usually I just shoo them away and tell away, and that's the end of that.  I don't really care about the door-to-doors, they're chump change compared to the terrorists, and the MANY people who start and perpetuate wars over that shit.  

but seriously, Scientific agenda?  you're honestly going in that direction?  Science doesn't have an agenda, science is the collective pursuit of knowledge.  That's not an agenda, that's logic.  the issue is that others (like yourself) claim there's an agenda because they themselves have an agenda and feel the need to project that onto others.  Science is all about truth.  finding facts.  you're turning it into a cult which is entirely counterproductive.