Already read those Superchunk, as well as a lot of stuff. I understand everything PERFECTLY.
I also have a firm grip on reality. If Palestine wants anything done. They need to surrender. Otherwise the settlers and other atrocities can continue on the Israeli side as well.
Regardless of why they elected them. They elected a terroirst government who's foreign policy to israel is to destroy it. The reason is pointless, by voting for them they voted for their ideals. Giving those ideals a public mandate.
You talk as if the US is the only thing preventing a compromise when in reality the US is the only thing preventing the situation from getting worse! Without the US Israel would likely push even harder.
The only way the Israeli violene will stop is if the Palestinian violence stops first and those responsible are turned in. Basically the Palestine people have to give up it's war. Instead of supporting it's politcal leaders who support this "war".
If you actually think the UN would do anything about it... you should look at the rest of the world. Where much greater attrocities happen and nothing is done.
The actual honest to god genocides that happen every day in africa. The criminal missmanagement of the economy for self gain and taking away of civil rights of Zimbabwe. (Biggest thing there i think is England barring them from a cricket match! Even then the end result might be britian losing hosting rights.)
You need to look at things from a realistic point of view.
Also, your ignoring the fact that during the war of 1967 a MAJORITY of the people who left, left of their own free will at the behest of the Arab Nations who promised them all of the land in Israel and Palestine. Therefore they immigrated legally and have no rights to return.
So your asking Israel to pull back AND allow back peolple who made a deal with other nations to leave with them in order for them to take ALL the land for them.
Suddenly the pre-war borders are ok for them because there allies lost a war. To me it sounds like they gambled and lost, and as such should give up more land as penalty for agreeing with the 1967 war.
Why should they lose pre-war lands? Because they gambled and lost. They and there allies decided to attack Israel instead of continue to discuss things like civilized people.
It's as if you and I were neighbors, and then i decided hey i'll let my friends attack you and try and take your house from me. Then as you defend youself, and take my house to prevent them from having a base in which they could attack you. I left and then sent you a letter saying I wanted my home back.
Are you really going to feel safe living next to me? Keep in mind, every once in a while my kid threatens you publically and throws fire crackers at you and your family and there is absolutely no precedent in our history of neighbors that we will be able to live together peacefully.
So, are you going to want me livng right next to you? Or are you going to want a bit of a buffer?
What Israel should do is.
1. Pull back SOME, but not to the 1967 borders. Instead it should only be a partial withdrawl with both the Palestine and Israel halfs of this withdrawl being a demilitrized zone. Jerusalim being demiliterized and protected by UN peacekeepers who are actually vowed to holding the city, as oposed to the usual UN peacekeeper mission of saying they are there to keep the peace, but leave as soon as an army attacks.
2. Compensate the government of Palestine. How that money is distributed is up to the government to decide and figure out who left because they were forced out, or because they were afraid, and who left at the urgings of the other arab states.
both of which should be conditional and not fully acted opon until.
A. Palestine turns in the leaders of Hamas and other terrorist groups, with help of the international community. Or atleast they are forced to flee and live in exile in other arab countries.
This needs to happen because the last time this was attempted it by withdrawing from the gaza strip anything jewish was defaced, and it was used as an attempt to attack Israel.
You expect Israel to give land back, when the last time they did that land was used to attack them? This is fair to you? To expect them to try the "Land for Peace" resolution when the last time they tried it all they got was a more violent situation?
While those very people who attacked them then, are now sitting at the head of the legitimite government of palestine? (which has been disbanded by the current government against the constitution of the PA.)
Palestine has to make the first move. It can be with this illegal government that's in control now. (Though personally i'd perfer the legal democractically elected government to rule. Terrorist nation or not.)
