kowenicki said:
vlad321 said:
kowenicki said:
vlad321 said:
Seece said:
I am aware, and you can dampen it all you like 1.3B is not 'barely profitable' it's more than Sony have ever achieved with the Playstation division since its inception. To put it in perspective.
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Why are you so focused about Sony? Sony isn't even relevant when it comes to Microsoft. As far as Microsoft's profits go, the Xbox is basically insignificant and arugably pointless (and possibly harmful given how they decided to fuck a core audience of Windows to barely turn a profit).
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Well given your barometer, its perfectly reasonable to bring Sony into the discussion....
How long has the Playstation brand existed now? I think I am right in saying that even now the playstation divsion only accounts for around 10% of revenue for Sony... and proftability...? it hasn't got any... add all the years together and it has barely made a cent (any profits for PS1 and PS2 vanished due to PS3)... It might even be showing a net loss still... it certainly was up until recently.
So just using figures such as the ones you decided were a great barometer for importance clearly do not tell the whole story. If this was all that mattered then Sony should have ditched Playstation by now... but it isnt. There are intagible benefits to having these brands. Certainly Sony and MS feel that way.
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Funny because the Playstation seems to do pretty well for Sony. When it started getting profits, it seemed to help Sony overall pretty significantly. If you drop out the Playstation from Sony, they would be in a much worse place than if you dropped out Xbox from Microsoft. If that were to happen Microsoft would more or less shrug its shoulders. Also the games division is Sony's second biggest product group.
Edit: Some numbers I scrounged up: The playstation+vaio division made nearly 46 bil yen. TVs, cameras, etc. made 27. So I guess it's not as insignficiant as you want me to believe.
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ahhh, you have flipped the argument. I NEVER wanted to say that it wasnt significant... i was merely showing how just looking at numbers isnt the whole picture...
By the way.. for clarification (luckily I know how to read accounts)
I dont know what you mean by "made"...... perhaps you dont either?
But Sony revenue for Gaming is a little over 10% of their total revenue for 2011.
Profits for gaming? Nobody knows, they dont break it down that way as you pointed out and its lumped in with many things.
Sales and Operating Revenue to Customers by Product Category
Yen in millions
Year ended March 31 2011
Networked Products & Services
Game: 798,405
PC and other Networked: 694,731
Total: 1,493,136
Sony Corp Consolidated total: 7,181,273
So gaming is (798,405/7,181,273)*100 = 11.1% of sony revenue (down from 11.64% in 2010 and 12.7% in 2009)
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