| Sevengen said: @Runa216 asking for proof of God is a child's game, a parlor trick employed by intellectual neophytes for the sole purpose of gloating over the opponent's philosphical/theological beliefs and their inability to 'prove' them. It's annoying and immature, rightly so, because the person asking is aware of these truths beforehand. You understand that people cannot prove God's existence and yet you ask them to. Well, let's turn this around on you a bit shall we. Belief in the abstract is proof enough of it's existence. For example, you believe that you will wake up tomorrow, but you cannot prove it. Yet the belief is there and the thought, however speculative it may be, is real and concrete within your mind. Now, you can be petty and say... "I don't KNOW that I will wake up tomorrow" and while that is certainly true, it doesn't diminish the belief that you have in its certainty and you plan your life around this theoretical opinion... this belief in something you cannot prove. Having said the above, I would like you to prove that you don't believe in god, not that he isn't real, but that YOU dont' believe in him. I would like you to show me empirical evidence of that, in fact, I demand it. Of course you can just tell me you don't believe in God, but that doesn't 'prove' anything does it, at least not in any type of scientifically substantial way. In your own words "In a world where we need absolute, undeniable proof of something before we believe it"... so...by your own words, show me undeniable proof that you don't believe in God. In your own words " if Religion is to persist in the modern world it should be subject to the same criticism and rigorous testing the rest of our lives demand"... O.K., I'm with you on this. So by your own words, if your skepticism in God's reality is to persist, than it should be subject to the same criticism and rigorous testing the rest of your life demands. So, again, prove to me that you don't believe in God. You cannot. I already know this, and to be honest, it was rather unfair of me to ask in the first place. |
I'm not following the logic at all, I'm not sure how the two relate to one another (my demanding proof of an existence of god and you demanding proof that I don't believe in God.) How in the world would my beliefs make any difference in the matter? whether I beleive in him or not is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make, the only thing that matters are my actions, which have been, in simplest terms, accusatory.
I'm just not seeing how the two things are the same. I cannot prove I don't believe in God, but....*headexplodes*.
(kudos, I honestly don't know how to answer this one, mostly because I'm completely dumbfounded as to how it's relevant.)
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