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Now this is precisely one of the things I was talking about. Ps3 was allowed to write a thread about "staying pure until marriage" since God says that's what's holy and whatever, and that thread was allowed to stay and prosper in spite of it being clearly put there to elicit strong reactions from both sides, but I post a thread that is criticising religion and that's a hand's off topic? you're allowed to push your religious beliefs but you're not allowed to insist they be put up for debate?

Also, you seem to be misinterpreting my intentions. I did not say science DISPROVES God's existence, I'm saying outright that nothing has PROVEN that God exists, so if people are going to continue to have faith and continue to keep it such a huge part of our culture, it should be subject to the same rigorous testing and have the same burden of proof that science has.

If people worldwide simply kept their religion and religious theories to themselves, using it as a means for hope and unity between one another, I'd happily leave them alone, but as long as we have people in America pushing to have intelligent design in classrooms, or trying to stifle scientific advancements (such as Stem Cell Research) or imposing their beliefs on others (Westboro Baptist church) and demanding respect, then they should have to earn it. I do not believe for a second that religion has earned the right to have it's tendrils in society as it has, so I offer an open ear to anyone who can offer supporting evidence for the Existence of God. I honestly want to hear what people have to say.

I should not be insulted for opening a discussion like this, and it's grossly unfair that I be asked to "shut it down before it gets out of hand". how would it get out of hand? Someone might be against religion and offend their sensibilities? How is that any worse than outright calling someone a whore because they have sex before marriage? How is that any worse than calling atheists immoral because they do not answer to a higher power? Would somebody explain why it's okay for religious people to be offended by criticism but the second an atheist gets defensive about their belief (or supposed lack thereof) being mocked, that's somehow wrong?

AS for the Big Bang, I don't know, I wasnt there. Science has theories and I Accept them as theories. they may be right, they may be wrong, but at least scientists say "we have this evidence, so we're going to follow that evidence towards what we feel is a logical conclusion." the bible says "God did this, end of story, question it and get beheaded." That's the key difference, Both institutions (science and religion) are offering answers to life and the universe, but only one is allowed to be scrutinized, while the other is allowed to continue teaching its lessons without any testing to back up their theories.

Again, this thread is to offer the same open criticism to both institutions, and I invite anyone who has any supporting evidence for God's existence to offer that for discussion.

There's no reason why we can't have nice things.



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