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IamAwsome on 27 August 2011
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Who said anything about the Wii competing with last generation consoles?  I was only refering to the Wii U as being seen as just another console in this current generation.  


I said it because you just stated that the Wii U is just apart of the current gen.  Is the Wii U an add-on like the 64DD, Sega CD or 32x? No  Going by that then it means the Wii U is next generation.  I played the Wii being last gen card because I know many Sony and Microsoft fans love to downplay the Wii power just like you are downplaying the Wii U before any specs are even released.  You can think what you want but the fact is the next systems from Sony and Microsoft will be competing against the Wii U. 

I knew it was going this way with you involved. 

And you can think what you want to,  but when the next gen consoles from Sony and Microsoft finally release, the developers will forget about the Wii U and it will get the same support the Wii is getting right now. Which will leave the Wii U with competing against no one.   I believe Nintendo is releasing the Wii U to try and re capture the Hardcore by upping the graphics to meet what available on the PS3 and 360,  but that wont be enough of a jump to compete with what the Sony's and MS's next console will do.  

The Wii U will only be competing against the Nextbox or PS4,  if the consumers see them as competing products.  Which I am betting wont happen.

If you think that the PS4 and Nextbox will make another "Quantum leap" in graphics, then you're in for a huge dissapointment. The Wii U is stronger then the PS3/360, and the PS4/720 won't be strong enough to make the Wii U look like the Wii, unless they charge a lot for consoles again. The Wii U will be strong enough to get ports from the PS4/Nextbox for sure. 3rd parties din't abandon the PS2 even though the Xbox/GCN were stronger, and if the Wii U becomes everything Nintendo wants it to be, the hardcore might flock to it, just like they they flocked to the 360. 

Releasing the consoles in 2014 would allow them to make that Quantum Leap in Graphics and stay reasonable with prices, not to mention it will also allow them to do 3D correctly and have every game running 1080p @ 60FPS minimum. Plus its not just about the graphics,  its about being able to make animations smoother and other things as well.  Is the Wii U gonna be capable of all of this?  Dont know,  but if I had to guess considering Nintendo's past, no it wont be.

As for the power of the Wii U, who knows where it lies when it compares to the PS3 and 360, no official specs have been released.  And the difference between the PS2 and GC/Xbox were minimal.   And 3rd Parties will abandon the Wii U if there is a huge graphical difference, and if the controller becomes cumbersome to develop for.    The Wii U would have to offer something extraordinary for the Hardcore to stop playing their 360s and PS3s to buy a new console.   Nintendo's inability to make a good online system is already one strike against them, and just making a console powerful enough to get Multiplats from PS3 and 360 isnt going to do it, since those systems have exclusives that each owner wants.  

Releasing in 2014 will allow them to do 3D and 1080p/60 FPS, but the Wii U already does all of that just fine. Also, Sony and MS will both launch sooner than 2014 to avoid giving away marketshare, thus eliminating that area of the debate.

By "considering Nintendo's past" do you mean 2006, when they intentionally held back on the power as a part of their Blue-Ocean strategy? Also, I should have mentioned this before, but another reason the PS2/PS3 jump was so big is because of the jump to HD. It's just another reason that the PS3/PS4 jump won't be as big as you think.

Developers are effortlessly getting PS360 games running on the Wii U, not to mention Nintendo touted it at E3 as "having all the latest technology". 2011/2012 tech vs 2005/2006 tech should tell you something reguarding power. 3rd parties are praising their new online system, so that shouldn't be a problem. 

Now about gamers. You said  that "just making a console powerful enough to get Multiplats from PS3 and 360 isn't going to do it". What makes you think that the Wii U won't have anything exclusive to offer? There is Killer Freaks. We don't know what 3rd parties have in the pipeline for it, and we won't know until next year.

The Wii U already does that just fine?  How?  Have you played it?  Not to mention I said at a minimum.  As there are some games that already run at those levels on PS3.  As for the laumch date for the PS4 and Nextbox, I love how you conclude that its no longer possible to debate it since you believe marketshare matters.  If they arent competing against each other it doesnt matter what their marketshare is.  And No I do not believe that the PS4 and Nextbox will be competing against the Wii U.  It will be the same way it is now with the PS3 and 360 against the Wii.  People dont see them as direct competitors so marketshare doesnt matter.  As they arent losing support from the game companies. 

And you want to know what the big difference will be from this generation to the next?  1080p @ 60 FPS minimums, Texture quality and animations.  Most games are in HD but not full HD, 1080p is twice the number of pixels as 720p, and then to get that to run a 60FPS, where as most nowadays are 30 FPS.  That is a huge difference.  Now all three of these things will come at a pretty high cost.  Will Nintendo pay that cost and release a console near the price the 360 launched at?  Doubtful.  Especially considering that the controller will eat up alot of the cost itself.  

The Wii U will not have all the latest technology for 2011,  to even suggest such a thing is stupid.  The console would cost $600+ and Nintendo would never release a console at that price point.  You may see technology from 2008 in there,  thats so they can keep costs down, as that is extremely important to them.  I have yet to hear a good thing about their online system, but I must be reading the wrong news articles.

Well 3rd parties arent going to release many, if any at all, exclusives on the system until it starts to sell well,  especially considering they could put it on the HD twins and have 100M consoles at their disposal.  And maybe Nintendo is going to have a bunch of great exclusives.  They have always produced great games.  But are they the type of games that are going to pull the people away who play Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted, God of War, Mass Effect, Gran Turismo, Bioshock, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto and Assasins Creed? That remains to be seen. But I am betting no, as it didnt happen this gen.

Reggie said that 1080p will be the standard on the Wii U in a post conference interview.

What makes you think that the Wii U won't directly compete woth the PS3/4, and 360/Nextbox. They have said many times that they are going after that type of gamer. You can see that with the amount of FPS coming to it. 3rd party devs won't leave the PS3/360, after all just look at all of the high profile 3rd party releases that the PS2 got in '05. 

Once again, Reggie confirmed 1080p/60 FPS. Textqure quality and animations? Look at the Japanese Garden demo. It won't be that expensive to make it all happen, after all, there are several PS360 games that support 1080p whether it iis at 30 FPS,or 60. The Wii U is stronger than both of those so it will be a little easier for developers to make it happen on the Wii U. Also, they probably won't be relucant to price the console higher than usual, provided that the software is there. I'm guessing $350.

According to press releases from IBM and ATI, the Wii U does have some modern tech. I'll give you the links if you want me to. Here is Activision saying good things about the Wii U's online.

We won't know about any concrete exclusives, or games period until 2012.