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Player1x3 on 22 August 2011
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wilco said:
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wilco said:
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Killiana1a said:

Islam. Is it the eastern version of Mormonism where wannabe alpha males marry submissive wives who want to be abused with their misery condoned by the religious text?

How about the treatment of women wanting to be equal to men, homosexuals wanting to lead a life of dignity and adulterers expressing their marital dissatisfaction in Islam? Why is their misery and death by stoning accepted by the religion while any military movement by Israel is considered justification for jihad?

I have never understood Islam and would love to understand what I consider are gross, unapologetic hypocrisies from those who prescribe to the Islamic faith.

You are aware that christianity was like that not too long ago, right?

It still is. The words in the bible haven't changed. I actually respect modern islam more than modern christianity. Modern christianity doesn't even resemble the christianity outlined in the bible. People just take whichever bits and pieces they like and call it christianity.

According to christianity

- Women are not allowed to speak before the congregation.

- Women must cover their heads in the presence of christian males.

- Homosexuality is condemned.

People forget that christianity started out as a CULT.

Not really, those are all from Torah books, the old testament and jewish writings, which has very little to do with Christianity. Christianity is founed upon New Testament. Christianity is based upon teachings of Christ

Everything I said is from the new testament. 

Women Head covering: 1 11: 4-15

Homosexuality: 1 6: 9, Romans 1: 26-28

Also, the only thing that changed from the old testament to the new testament is most of the jewish rituals were done away with and death sentences were no longer handed out. But as a general rule if it was wrong in the old testament it continued to be wrong in the new testament.

Ah yes, taking Biible quotes out of contex, favorite strategy of an atheist. Did you actually proceed to read aftter Corintheus 15, or you just cherry pick the quotes you like, the same thing your menitoned in your first post?

http://www.1211ministries.com/images/St._Paul_Addresses_Problems_in_Corinth_and_Ephesus.pdf

As for Romans 1, it actually condamns ''shamefull acts'' aka LUST, not homosexuality itself. It does call homosexuality unnatural and lustfull tho. The people were condamned because of shameful acts and their lustfull and un natural deisres. The same thing for them could be said if they were lustful for the opposite sex.

And the general rule in New Testament is '' dont do anything to others that you dont wish to be done to yourself and love and respect your God''. While old testament and the jewish writings put A LOT MRE emphasis on the correct worship and behaviour, the new testament puts emphasis on the correct and orthodox beliefs, as well as morals of christ. They are very different, its only that you choose to see and read what you want to see and read

First of all I am not an atheist. I'm not a practicing christian either but that is only because I decided that if your going to live as a christian it sould be all or nothing. It shouldn't be a matter of picking and choosing which parts of christianity best fit your lifestyle and molding the rest to suit you. I don't quote these scriptures to denounce Christianity, I quote them to clarify what Christianity teaches. I'm tired of seeing it misrepresented by people who are only trying to justify their own lifestyles.

I've read 1st Corinthians, I've read the entire bible. I didn't get my understanding of the bible from webpages. Don't give me webpages, give me biblical text to support your argument. You haven't explained why 1st Corinthians is out of context, but if you don't like that scripture I'll give you another. 

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Also 1 Timothy 3:1-5 .... This one applies to both the role of women and homesexuality. In order to be a leader in the church you must be a "husband of one wife" not a "wife of one husband" or a "husband of one husband." A "husband of one WIFE."

Women are allowed to be ministers. Ministers are people who spread the word to non believers. But they are NOT allowed to be leaders in the congregation. There is simply no way you can rationalize this one based on 1 Timothy 2:11-15 but I would love to see you try.

As for the verse in Romans. I don't know what bible your reading but in every bible I've ever seen it clearly references gay sex as shameful. If Paul simply wanted to say that lust was shameful then he could've simply said that. He goes out of his way to specifically mention lesbian and homosexual sex.

Principles did not change in the new testament. God's principles do NOT change. If you didn't condone homosexuality in the old testament then why would he condone it in the new testament. All scriptures are STILL inspired by God. That is not to say that homosexuals are condemned, but the act of homosexuality IS. No matter how much some people would like to rewrite the bible there is no way around that fact.


Wasnt your point that women were mistread and that Christianity says they should be treated as lower human beings than man, just like they are in some Islamic countries? You obviously said you respected modern Islam than Christianity on the issue.If it wasn't, than ignore my posts, if it was, that link I posted disproves that claim.Did you actually even read it? It clearly shows the womans  position in the bible and Christianity.And its not just being a minister. And the main soruce of writings in that link comes from Paul, is he credible enough for your when it comes to the Bible writings?

Also, Bible condamns lustful sex as shamful in general. Not just between the persons of same gender. And while homosexual acts are seen as sinful (primary because its un nautral and cant continiue the growth of human nature) homosexual persons are not. No one is above sin. Homosexuals are no different ''hate the sin, not the sinner'' the Bible says. And the thing Christianity teaches us is that no one is good enough for heaven if she/he obey all the laws and rules in the Bible.

And you still missed my point. Christianity as whole puts a lot more epmhasis on correct faith and orthodox morals, rather than obbeying the laws, because, as we know, christianity teaches us no one is good enough for heaven. So these laws, either for a man or woman are actually of little to no importantce to a christian and christian God. Judism and old testament however, put a lot more emphasis on correct behavior and following the book of laws.Christianity isnt about the laws you have to follow (except for the major 2) its about correct faith and beleif in God and his morals. And God's prinicples are, like I said in my other post, very simple

'' Dont do anything to others that you dont wish to be done to yourself and love and respect your God'' 

Other laws were mostly added by other cultures in which the religion emerged and were copied by other pagan religions.Not to mention there are tons of other un published and destoryed versions and texts of the Bible that got banned and/or destroyed by Romans in Council of Nicea. Thats what bugs me the most about Christianity, its not a complete religon. Its growth, popularity and power came with a big price. And thats why I am something between a Christian-deist of sort