The PS4 should have Move packed in (along with the Dualshock)

[LordTheNightKnight]

"I. Perhaps I wasn't clear I think Sony should discard the Move entirely. Go all the way back to the drawing board to come up with a idea of their own. Can we be honest the Move is a blatant knock off. Most consumers see that, and it just plain makes Sony look bad. I think it is better for Sony to have something to offer of their own. Rather then just copying what the other guy is coming up with. You can't win by playing follow the leader."

Consumers are not turned off by unoriginality. It's just the closed enthusiasts circles of various mediums that are. Consumers are turned off by bad products, but are turned on by good products, even if they are copycats.

It's the distinction and originality myth that is making Nintendo create weird systems, and have done so before. Those turn off consumers.

"2. I am getting really tired of people neglecting qualifiers in their remarks. Your statement is subjective, and that is all there is to it. By neglecting to incorporate some phrase or word to represent some uncertainty it just causes you to look arrogant. Learn some humility for crying out loud. On point it could be a lot of things that are hurting the sales of the new system. Perhaps it was the wrong innovation. Perhaps consumers are showing a unwillingness to buy yet another handheld. Perhaps consumers want to invest in hand held devices that are truly multimedia."

It's not subjective. 3D hasn't been a boon to movies that was hoped, and the reputation for 3D being nothing but a cheap trick has not been helped by just a few, and I mean a few, movies that don't involve just stuff flying at the screen. 3D on the 3DS has also been getting more and more comments about people just turning it off after a few minutes, as they find it's more distracting than it supposedly helps.

3D is a visual gimmick, that also has the stigma of making things using it to be works relying on gimmicks. That is what the mainstream thinks.

"3. Historically speaking that doesn't seem to be the case. In retrospect the PS2 was dominant, because it offered a cheaper media. While Sony offered a compelling business model that was more favorable to third parties. It can be argued that the 64 lineup in the beginning of that generation was better, and Nintendo had a better interface."

First of all, I hope you meant PS1, since the GC discs were basically mini DVDs. Second of all, media wasn't the only factor, as the problem was only a generational one. It has to be deeper rooted to last even when other factors point to favoring Nintendo, and third parties still refused to do so.

Third of all, the games didn't sell the systems on the N64. The PS1 games did. That's not up to arguing. The hardware sales make that clear.