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richardhutnik on 08 August 2011
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Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:

If you hold that view, then why do you complain about the state of society and companies not rehiring, when the reality according to you is, things should be MUCH worse.

Why complain about what some derivatives have done so far, when we're still ahead of the game?

When stupid misuse of derivatives were a big factor in what happened with the economy, complete with the production of an unsustainable bubble, then it gets brought up.  You are the one who ended up saying, "Well if the government had no part in it, we wouldn't of had a problem".  Well, it wasn't the government that pushed things over the edge, but greed on the part of individuals to take too large of a risk.  Beyond this, the key is to look at what really could lead to sustainable job creation, not creating another bubble that will lead to excess economic activity that is not sustainable.  Besides this, name what area should be the target of real economic growth now to produce the needed jobs over the next 5 years.


Except the government were the people who pushed things over the edge... and was what made real growth a bubble, by forcing too many bad loans that HAD to be put into derivatives in the first place.

What should the the target of real economic growth?

Nothing.  When you target things you are specifically creating jobs that do not have demand... which would be... creating a bubble.

Instead, you let people get used to the reality of the economy, and start buying, drawing demand up, and allow buisness owners and other people to innovate and invent and create new products people creating more demand by creating more products people want to buy.

Generally though you missed my point.  Basically every thread you create is complaining about how crappy the world, job situation and economy is.  When under your view that the vast majority of derivitives are bad... the economy and job situation are worse, heck social programs should be worse.  There seems to be a huge conflict in your base ideology where you suggest things should be better, but general phiosphy suggests things should be MUCH worse.

What is my base ideology I hold that things shouild be better?  Where did you get that?  You reading me as some sort of progressive who believes that if the government meddles enough, things will be just fine?  If you do, you certainly don't get where I am coming from at all.  As far as derivatives go, they are things that cause people to take excess risks due to overleveraging due to overconfidence in them, as has been seen, and what Warren Buffett warned about.

As far as this fiction you keep spewing, regarding the government putting a gun to the head and FORCED them do derivatives off loans and what not, care to point to anything else but the Community Reinvestment Act:

http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act


Because you are spinning fiction here that would argue that if there was no government, there wouldn't be any bubbles at all.  This is complete and total nonsense.  But, you are free to keep sticking with this fiction.