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mai said:
Xen said:

To be fair, he rectified that oversimplifaction in his next posts.

Зен, да нифига он не "recitfied". Вроде взрослые люди, а рассуждают как второклашки, какую-то пургу про "self-determination is the prime right of all peoples" гнал и прочая. Так, будто эти права в воздухе висят, пользуйся - не хочу. Во-первых, люди тут ни при чем, речь о праве нации, во-вторых, право - вторично, реальность - первична. Праву нужен закон и сила принуждения оного. А какая у нас реальность эти занимается? Правильно, полудохлый, но все же ООН. Собственно, где мандат ООН на применение силы в Югославии? Не было его. Единственное, что эта ООН родила - небезызвестная резолюция 1244, которая постфактум констатировала отделение Косово. Ну и к слову, фиг его знает, как там в СРЮ - это пусть тутошний серб скажет - но в СФРЮ согласно конституции автономные края (Косово и Метохия, Воеводина) не имели права на отделение, его имели республики. Короче, сильно сомневаюсь, что отделение Косово - конституционный акт даже по законам СРЮ, тем более по законам международным.

Это если быть формалистом и рассуждать с т.з. законности, что вообщем-то само по себе наивно.

 

 

Xen, he recitified nothing. Grown men, but think like still at kindergarten. There was some juvenile talk about "self-determination is the prime right of all peoples" etc, as if those rights come out out of thin air. First, people have nothing to do with it, we're talking about nations here. Second, reality defines law, not vice versa. What reality do we have now? Exactly, barely functional, but still the . Was there appropriate UN mandate that approves aggression towards Yugoslavia? Nope. The only relevant document that UN have issued on the matter - notorious , which post factum defined Kosovo status. BTW I'm unaware of FRY laws (that's a question to the local Serb), but according to SFRY Constitution autonomous provinces of Kosovo and Metohija, Vojvodina didn't have self-determination right, but republics did. In short, I'm in serious doubt, that self-proclamation of independence by Kosovo is an lawful act even by the laws of FRY, let alone international law.

That's if we pretend of being formalistic and discuss the matter from the law point of view, which is naive by itself.

 

Kosovo and Vojvodina were both given right as autonomous provinces in SFRY constitution of 1974. But they were never considered as republics, based on the fact those 2 were never countries or anything of that sort before.  In 1987 or 1990, Miloshevic removed the status of  autonomous province for Kosovo, as a result of Albanians protesting, wanting for Kosovo to be one of the Yugoslav republics. As for our law, it was in our constitution that Kosovo may never be recognized or not considerd part of our country, BUT our great deocratic president chnaged it and excluded that from the Constitution in his last trip to Geneva couple of months back. Quite pathetic, isn't it?