Player1x3 said:
Mr Khan said:
To my knowledge, the Albanians inhabited the region long before anyone else did, which is why they're such an ethnically unique people, with a language that doesn't even fall into any of the major language groups, and Wikipedia seems to back me up here now that i checked, though Wiki also sorta backs what you said, that they didn't emerge until around the 15th century as a distinct people, but were descended from the paleo-Balkan peoples, thus probably closely related to the Dorian Greeks, and native to the area long before the Slavs began to show up from out of the east. What would you say of the Hungarians, who probably inhabited Vojvodina before the Serbs took it away from them? The Slavs had to arrive out of somewhere, and there had to be a native people that they displaced in their time.
Your argument regarding infrastucture is fallacious, as if that argument were to hold, then Africa should just default back to Europe. Better-endowed peoples create infrastructure in less well-endowed areas (and thus end up owning that infrastructure that they made), but that has given them little claim to ownership historically
Your latter claim of Albanian atrocities is the most legitimate here. If these claims are true than Kosovo certainly shouldn't be getting a free ride from the West, and this tends to happens to countries we favor, where we look the other way on their sins in their ethnic disputes (my pet peeve has always been how we treat the Georgians like a bunch of saints, despite what they do to the Abkhazians/Ossetians, and don't even get me started on Israel), and should be amended. That is why i have maintained in my argument that Kosovo's right to freedom hinges on its ability to act responsibly as a free state, which includes protection of the Serbian minorities who still legitimately live there
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What the hell have you been reading? The first mention of albanians wwas in 11th century, 500 years before Serbs came to Balkans. Albanians are are actually from Caucasus, as the state by the name of Albania can be found on the Caucasus montains in around 600 BC Albanian language actually has similaraties with some of the Chechen dialect langauge on Caucasus. Chechens and albanians share other similaraties as well. The caucasian Albanians (also called Alban, Aghban or Alpan) were a tribe of 26 tribes and ethnic groups, some of the were turkic descent while the majority were Cacasian tribes speaking caucasian langauges
In 640's Arabs invaded Albania (the state on caucasus) and Jevanshir actually came to ally himself with former enemies the Sassadins. However, because weakend by thier war with Azerbajiains and Byzantium, Sassanian Iran quickly lost. Jevanshir returned back to Albania, preparing for war. Arabs invaded Albania, but it took thm half the century to conquer them. They did so, only by the beginning of the eight century, somewhere around in 705 AD, based on articles by Academician Z.I Lampol'skii and Great Soviet encyclopedia account. So for now, lets look at the 2 facts
1.Arabs invaded Albania (in Caucasus)
2.Year 705 AD
It is know that Arabs settled people from Caucasus in Sicilly (hence why so many Sicilian people have orgins and connections in todays Albania. it is also know that Maniakos used mercenaries from Sicilly to figh the Byzantines in 1042 AD. Now, the first time modern Albanians were mentioned WAS exaclty 11th century. This concides perfectly with the thoery that they came at Balkans at the 11th century Some. scholars say the year was the exact 1042, but the sources are weak for this claim. Now let's move to the genetics.
Genetic Examinations done in 2000 show that predominant haplotype group found in most Albanians is Eu9-Eu10-Eu11, which is found most commonly in Middle East and Cacausus, its basically non-existant to Eurpeans, with the exception of europeans that had contacts with Middle Easterners and Caucasians, such as southern italians and Greeks. As for the DNA analaysis, the Illyrian should be Eu7-l1b. The percent of l1b in Kosovo population is 2.7% and 17% in Albania(altough I have lost the links to suport this claim as this was done in 2002)
The theory that Albanians were related to the Illyrians was first proposed by a German historian in 1774. To propagate the connection, the comunist Albanian government adopted a policy ofartificially naming people with ''Illyrian'' names. There is but a gap of several centuries between the last historical mention of Albanians (and the illyrian tribe of Albanoi) and the later mention of Albanians and of the names Albanon and Arblanon to indiate the region.
The place where Albanian language was formed is uncertain, but analyses have suggested that it was a mountainos region, rathern than in a plain seacost.While the words for plants and animals are entirely original, the names for fish and agricultural activities (such as ploughing) are borrowed from other languages. This is rather ridicilous when you considerd Illyria coverd most of Adriatic sea cost.
Your second parapgraph, you suggested first that Turks should reclaim whole Balkans and Greeks should return Byzantine. Despite the fact that both Byzantime and Ottomans gaind thier territory by conquest and violence. Both were later defeated and thier territory was takne. Kosvo however, not only was/ is the heart of serbian culture its one of the most important historic lands for Serbs, for it was in Kosovo Polje whee Serbian army clashed with ottomans and where the brave serbian knight Milosh Obelic killed Ottoman sultan Murad I. It was the oly time ver a sultan was killed by a Christian soldiers. Also, Kosovo was the 2nd most holliest site for christian Orthodoxy after Constantinople. The fun fact is Kosovo has been part of Serbia waaay before your contry was even founed by Europeans. Hell, Kosovo was almost part of serbia for longer time than your country was even know in the world.
Third paragraph, you act like western politicians have no agenda in Kosovo situation. What they seek to do, is create as many puppet states as they can which allows them to build military basess on its territory and try be very well prepared in case of war with Russia or China. They have been doing so for the past 50 years and Rusia tried to do simmilar things in Goergia as well. Now, since Serbia is a historical good friend and ally to Russia (but than again, we were allies and firends to the west too, before) we wouldnt allow NATO and other wester forces to build thier bases on our soil and as such, we were became an inconvineice for them, and thus thier enemy. Not to mention many wester countries such as Austria Switerland and Germany have a large population iof Albanian refugees and people and they want them returend to thier ''country'' as soon and as fast as possible
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