WW UP 23rd July

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Heavenly_King said:

Some people are saying that if they release a pokemon, mario, kirby, etc, game for the 3DS, it will sell a lot. But that didnt happened with the N64 nor the Gamecube. Those consoles have those games and yet sales wise they were a complete failure. Most sales of this games overlap, so if mario, pokemon, kirby sells 20 millions each, it doesnt means that the handheld will sell 60 million, at most it will sell 35M.

The wii was selling a lot not because of the games, but because of the controller; so old people and/or moms who care not about mario or zelda bought the console. And that market is now saturated.

Stop fooling yourselfs by thinking that games are going to save the handheld (and will increase wii sales). If the 3DS succeeds it will be for other reasons, and not nintendo games.

If nintendo games were the solution, the N64 would have sold better than the PS1, and the gamecube would have sold better than the PS2 and yet that didnt happened. The PS1 and PS2 would have sold like crap according the previous statement because it didnt had any 20Million seller game; and yet that was not the case.

Nintendo consoles are quite different from other consoles in their user base; because they are only appealing to nintendo fans (and now to moms / old people), and not to a wide range of gamers. The PS brand has a high mix of users, the ones that buy God of War may buy uncharted or maybe not, the ones the buy Infamous may or may not buy Killzone; and so on. So if 20 games sell 2-2.5M, that means in this case almost 45M consoles sold.

Most people bought the DS because of the touch screen, and the 3DS has the same that is why it is not selling. And most people bought a Wii because of the controller, and the idea behind it (not being in the couch, and be "active") not for the games.

Well, that is what I think. I know nintendo fans will consider it far from true, but if you think about it, it makes sense :D.

Your argument as to why games aren't the solution to selling a console is flawed: you assume that the quality of Nintendo games has been consistently high since the NES. But it hasn't, and so the N64 and GC didn't sell as well as their previous consoles. Also, a console's success isn't determined by a single game: the whole library ( well, at least a good part of it ) must be games you want, and since the PS1 and 2 had such a huge amount of games, it makes sense that there was something for a lot of people, and so sold as much.

The Wii and DS didn't sell because of the controls: the controls lowered the barrier of entry, and allowed more people to play games, but there had to be games that they wanted as well. Think: did you seriously buy a PS3 or 360 thinking "oh, that controller looks different!" or "ooh, I like that console's D-pad more", or was it more along the lines of "Damn, that game looks sweet, I want it now!"?

And why would Nintendo fans somehow be a homogenous group of people? Why would it be impossible that they cover a broad range of people, like the supposed PS fans?