zarx said:
Seece said:
zarx said:
Seece said:
zarx said:
Seece said:
zarx said:
New platforms are expensive to introduce and MS are the only ones currently not introducing one. Also the Xbox brand has been bleeding hundreds of millions for years and cost billions to establish and will need another 15 years of profit to make the money back.
Being the only one bassed in the USA where they make they majority of thier sales also helps with the weak US dollar which hurts Sony and Nintendo.
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Havn't been doing your homework. X360 is practically break even for the division and if profits remain the same, the entire division will break even (yes even that 4.2 Bill Original Xbox diaster) will be cleared within 3 years.
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admitadly my info is pretty old...
Wasn't the bill for the OG Xbox ~$6 billion with ~$4 billion in losses the devision first turned an operating profit (as in actually made more than they spent or invested not just more than the costs that year) in 07 with $89 million in operating profit since then they have made more each year but I don't think they have made back the billions they lost. But if you can provide the data showing that they have made a net profit over the life of the Xbox brand I would love to see it.
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They lost $4.2B on original Xbox, then 06/07 fiscal years which was 360 debut and RROD fiasco (with $1b included) they lost $3.2B, in 08,09,10 and 11 they've profited every year to the tune of $2.7B, but most notably $1.3B this last year alone. -$4.7B is the overall loss of the division now with $500 mill to go before breaking even since the 360 debuted.
But with all of this we have to remember other products that had an impact in the division like the failure of the Kin and Windows phone ect.
Going forward MS have a solid income from Live, and I image Kinect is a great deal of that profit this last year. So yeah, they should be break even in less than 1 years lol, unless they go for a PS3 style system next gen and lose buckets, but MS are obviously savvy in the industry these days .. I don't think we'll ever see them go down that road again.
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could you provide a source for that? By my sources in fiscal 2010 theymade $618 million in net profit from the whole devision, and in fiscal 2009 only $169 million and $426 in 08 which makes $2.5b where is the other $200 million? so that is another $700 million profit more they need to make before the 360 breaks even and then they have to work on the $4.2b in OG Xbox losses and considering in a couple years they will likely slide back into the red when they launch their next console it's going to take them quite a while to turn a profit on the brand. The 15 years is probably hyperbole I admit...
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No ourse, I inputted the data years ago and have tracked it from MS ever since, so their website I suppose, I know some guy on GAF is floating around incorrect numbers though.
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But I just looked up the last 4 years of financial reports from MS and the numbers add up to 2.5b, you may want to recheck your numbers.
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MS are known to adjust their numbers, as I have already back checked old numbers and financial releases contradicting their numbers. I guess if they've updated them though I should update mine.
