Can a movement similar to fascism emerge in the US?

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i would agree so far as to say that should god exist he is not likely to be as described in the texts of those religions.

but i dont see how it was all that relevant to his point and that you just wanted a god argument.  its easily interpreted in a secular and agreeable way.  every human at (i would say conception but we can go with birth for the sake of this topic) has basic human rights.  that those rights dont cease to exist or change just because some government says so.    these rights should be the base of how society works and that, for example, creating things to the effect of "the right to not be offended by someone" by politicians to gain votes withing certain communities is obscene.

It's relevant in that Osamanobama was saying that his God Yahweh is supposed to be in charge of everything in the US and that universities that teach evolution are anti-Yahweh (when there is no real reason to be Pro Yahweh aka "God") and that Osamanobama is emblematic of the types of people that think Fox News a station with a heavy Pro God / Yahweh bias is fair and balanced.  As the pro Yahweh crowd are the ones in danger of leading this country down the road to fascism or totalitarianism.

I find it obsence when public policies are made that prevent others from being able to have all of the personal freedoms that they should have like not allowing women to be in charge of their own bodies, supporting one faction (or two) factions in The Middle East when all three sides are to blame and none of them any more right in their beliefs than Yanammanno tribesman fighting in the South American jungle over which one is more magical and being allowed to jeapordize the whole world while doing so because the Christians, Jews, and Muslems have more potent spears than the Yanammano, or denying others the right to do things that would harm no one else and that should be their rights as much as anyone else's -- gay marriage -- due to the bigoted teachings in a book that lost most of its claim to be any kind of a reliable source long ago.

apparently me being a Christian, has blinded you with hatred so my entire points in this thread have flew right over your head.

to address you simpleton misunderstandings

-never said God is supposed to be in charge of everything in the US

-never said universities teaching evolution are lying or anti-God, in fact never even mentioned evolution

-nearly every anchor of every news station claims to be a Christian, this is no different at Fox, and their faith almosts always has absolutely nothing to do with whats being reported.

-you have an irrational fear and hatred to Christians

Oh, you're being a Christian doesn't make me hate you.  That fact just shows how wrong you are.

 

"You Simpleton" -- looks like you really didn't even bother to learn grammar in school there, bud..  Really flying over my head there.  Not.

 

-- You said the laws in this nation we're "God given" when in fact they're not as your God doesn't exist.  Its people at Tea Party realities holding up signs about how we need to get God back in our country that demonstrate the Tea Party's intentions on that score.

--You might not have mentioned evolution, however, since you have a firm belief in God and a blatant disregard for universities it's easy to see they're definitely teaching something that you disagree with.  So, I guess you're fine with Universities teaching the truth that there's nothing more than mythology to the old religions as well as Evolution?

I beleive he was argung the liberal bias some of the proffesors at the universites have, not that he hates them. But than again, not like you insane hatred towards Christianity could make you see things the way they are

 

--Funny seeing as how they very often have various priests and preachers come on to all of the shows on Fox at least on a weekly basis.  You don't see priests and preachers on a weekly basis during most of their news programming. 

I dont watch fox, cant comment on this.

 

-- Anybody that has looked at the history of Christianity and that understands how they want to impose their God on everyone else's personal activities should at the very least have a healthy skepticism of the good intentions of Christians.

Or perhaps you cant distinguish the difference between the institutions of Christianity (the church) and the Christianity itself?  Not to mention you judged the group of 2.2 billion people by the actions of some of the kingdoms that killed eople 700 years ago.

''the fact shows that you are wrong'' - So someone being a Christian automatically makes him wrong at the discussion? Yeah the FACT that you think that shows that you have irrational and disturbing hate of Christians

Point One:  Since you're a Christian and you're religion is wrong that makes you wrong when making a statement like "Our Nation is ruled by God's Laws" because your God doesn't exist.  He was just a literary creation of an author about 3,000 years ago based on earlier Gods.  I think it's quite rational for me to accept the fact that you're wrong without hating you.

There is no proof that my God doesnt exist. Until you show the evidence that says so, your argument '#your God doesnt exist'# is useless. The abrahaic God is different than earlier gods in almost every way.

 

Good thing pointing at gramer on the internet. it will always help you win a debate

Point two:  Couldn't bother to look up one word, huh?

why would I? Is it relevant to the discussion?

 

I believe he said that in the constitituion it says that american laws are God given. Or maybe he meant moral laws. And your ''fact'' that God doesnt exist is just as relevant and good as the tree my cow uses to wipe her ass with. And what the Hell do you mean by ''bringing God back to the country''?  America is alrady religious country as it is, no matter how much you hate the fact.

 

Well, the Founding Fathers left off their writing of the Constitution with the fact that it should allow room for Ammendments so that over time as more knowledge about how the world actually happens to be, then changes could be written into The Constitution to reflect those new ideas.  Probably much like the Bible's J author, The Founding Fathers didn't think their Documents were written in stone much as you strict Constitutionalists do  So, since it was discovered about 80 years later than the Constitution was written that their might be other explanations for things, then the Founders might not have written what has become inflammatory references about God into the Constitution.  

Whatever your opinnion on their writings was, the fact remains that the constitituion says the laws come from the God. And what exaclty did chnage about God so that american constitution must be rewritten?  And Bible's (Bible is the New testament) authors were people around Jesus, his followers and apostolles, as its already been confirmed, Jesus Christ is a historiclly proven person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible#New_Testament

The country needs to move away from religion since it fosters a perfect slave system of many people that never really work for the betterment of themselves as they're expecting Jesus to return any day now, so they reject something like Obama's health care plan which might actually bring beneficial changes to their lives.   It's the folks I've seen on Tea Party Rallies holding up signs about bringing God back into everything that make me wonder what they mean.  No doubt, they should be able to follow their religions in private and let them die out while leaving everybody else alone so that they can have all the freedoms that every citizen of this nation should have the right to enjoy far from the scrutiny of religious types.

So you, like all other atheists I know, like to focus on small minority of fundamentalists and fanatics and totally ignore all the other reasonable normal people who follow Christianity to benefit your own hateful and ignorant thoughts and beliefs of Christianity, because you hate it so much? Isnt this extremly irrational and biased?  How about you star being objective for a while and look at the bigger picture. I am fine with you hating on them, in fact, i dont like them either, they give other people bad name, but when you try and judge the group of 2.2 billion people based on actions of a small miniroty of people, thats what pisses me off. And let me tell you, Christianity is the ost liberal abrahamic religion in the world.

I beleive he was argung the liberal bias some of the proffesors at the universites have, not that he hates them. But than again, not like you insane hatred towards Christianity could make you see things the way they are

 

I don't have an insane hatred towards Christianity.  I just know that very often if you look at the past, then you can see how the future will go.  And, if you look at the history of the Christian Church, then you can very much see how it would go if they had their way again.  And no doubt even today, they do want to interfere in other people's lives like preventing gays from getting married or women from having abortions.

Oh please, the reason Middle Ages was as bloody as it was, was the collapse of roman empire and foundation of lots of less civilized kingdoms and tribes that only used Christiany as a tool to make people go to war for them. And I am not defending the church at all, as I dont follow one, I am defending Christian relligion and its innocence during history. I do NOT wish the church to rule over a country, but I would never ever go forbid a religion in any country, like you would

 

Or perhaps you cant distinguish the difference between the institutions of Christianity (the church) and the Christianity itself?  Not to mention you judged the group of 2.2 billion people by the actions of some of the kingdoms that killed eople 700 years ago.

I can distinguish between the teachings of Christianity and Christianity itself.  But really its main source document advocates stoning gays to death and killing witches (and everyone in Cannaan so the Hebrews can have the land).What? God and Jesus Christ comanded no such thing. Again, learn the difference between Christianity (New testament, teachings of Christ) and Judism( Old testament, Book of Levitcus and others)  Even Jesus is allowed to say in the Bible that he came with a sword HOLY CRAP, HE SAID THE WORD SWORD, WHAT A MONSTER THAT MAN WAS, HE IS THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL !!!!!and that he didn't come to do away with the teachings of prophetsHe said he is here to accomplish the coandments of Moses which he did by givng 2 golden rules of Christianity that believed that people should kill gays and witches (even though he did say let him without sin cast the first stone to some priests that were going to stone an adulterous woman to death -- such a stoning would have been advocated by scriptures themselves.)Doesnt that tell you something? Like the fact that HE WAS AGAINST STONING??????

There is some research data that shows that many of those that profess to believe in The Bible have never read it.  Perhaps that's why they hold on to its teachings.