One thing Obama won't change

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@kas

I think we are done here. From what I can see your whole point is Palestinians are the sole cause of the violence and they need to act first if they want a state. My whole point is both cause violence and since Israel is the only one with: power, money, established economy, freedom, military, nuclear weapons, international geneva convention violations, etc, they need to make the first move and follow those international laws prior to expecting the people they control and have ultimate responsibility for to stop resisting the illegal occupation of their homes and lives.

@DKII

There is no difference in Israel's actions of 'bombing' a civilian mass to kill a couple of "terrorists" and these same rebels blindly shooting missiles into another civilian mass to kill what they view as "terrorists". Both sides view each other as the ultimate terrorist and both have their merits in that definition. Both are not targeting military objects, but are targeting anyone that is not like them. Therefore both actions are equally wrong.

The US supports a 2-state solution based solely on Israel's view of that solution. That is the problem. US doctrine is not unbiased in its proposal's. The "rest of the Middle East" has tried multiple times to wipe out Israel and has lost every time. Why? Because everytime the Middle East fighters have not been truly uniformed and are always outnumbered and outgunned. At this point in time there is no way any Arab nation would even consider a war with Nuclear armed Israel. They are all still outnumbered and outgunned by a massive margin.

The only thing that prevents Israel from indiscriminately wiping out the rest of the Arabs from the lands are that it is a democracy with a sizable non-extremist population. Why do you think they still continue to expand and build settlements? This is the extremist portion of Israel that is still advocating the complete removal Arabs. They are still trying to put facts on the ground that all of the West Bank was and will be Israel. Just because they are not gassing them doesn't mean they are not trying to remove the Arab problem. The 500k or so people living in these settlements are the root cause of the issues. These people are equal to Hamas in every intellectual way, just the opposite. The big difference is you don't see their actions on the front pages of our papers.

Israel's pull back out of Gaza has not re-escalated any violence. In fact it has stopped all violence stemming from Gaza, except missiles, since Israel can now effectively close off the entire strip. The Palestinian people elected Hamas for reasons you don't understand. Firstly, the PA is corrupt and Hamas largely is not. Second, Hamas actually receives more expendable cash, since it has a much smaller bureaucracy, and in turn spends it on social services, like hospitals and schools. These are the primary reasons the mass of the people voted for them over the PA. The much smaller reason is Hamas is the only ones that seem to be actually resisting Israel. PA for years has been trying to do what the US and Israel say without actually getting any results. When Israel left Gaza, it wasn't viewed as a sign that the PA's cooperation with the west gained that land. It was, correctly, viewed as a sign the Israel was tired of fighting within its borders over the illegal settlements. Israel did not want to keep spending the $ on those settlements and , correctly, thought it was be easier and less costlier to focus solely on the border. So to the average Palestinian Hamas' actions won. Based solely on that, if you were an average Palestinian, who would you have voted for?

As I said before, if Israel truly wanted peace with the Arabs it is easily attainable.
1. move back to 67 borders.
2. make real retribution for the millions of refugees, not in Israel, but in the new Palestinian state.

All Arab nations have already laid a foundation to this compromise a few years back and even recently resubmitted this solution and a final peace agreement. Israel however, doesn't want this. They want a 2-state solution on their terms. That is why they continue to build and expand settlements and continue to build their wall around the West Bank. This will never create peace.