Bible prophecy coming true - A One World Religious/ Economic/ Government System

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sapphi_snake said:

Humans and dogs are both animals and humans and dogs are both mammals. They certainly are not totally different lifeforms, and they cetrainly have more in common than plants (the plantae kingdom) and animals (the animalia kingdom). The main thing that plants and animals have in common is that they're all part of the eukaryote domain (meaning that they're both organisms made up of cells with complex structures that are enclosed in membranes).

You cannot use a vertical hierarchy to describe "the level of their intelligence", because you could only include in such an heirarchy being for which "intelligence" is an actual characteristic. Including plants in a "hierarchy of intelligence" is like including humans in a "hierarchy of being able to perform photosythesis", which is simply nonsensical.

Why people from all cultures would agree that people of other cultures have "things" that their culture does not, they'll typically also view those "things" as being negative (note, I'm referring to uneducated individuals here, which sadly makes up most of the population). Also, the strict social hierarchization, rituals, and protocols present in Japanese culture (both then and to some extent now), come from Canfucianism where such elements are considered necessary to assure the proper functioning of society. You may consider them negative, but that's viewing it from the POV of your own culture, and not taking into consideration that what you view to be "good" is also something your culture has taught you. A person from medieval Japan (and from current-day Japan also) would find the lack of a proper protocol to be outrageous, confusing, and a sign of not being "civilized".

Arguing that a species is "valuable" based on its "specialness" is definately not gonna lead to any objective ideeas, because "specialness" is itself a subjective criteria. My arguments were based on very objective criteria, this being the importance in the ecosystem that is Earth. Not to mentiom that you're being a hypocrite. You said that due to their intelligence, humans are essentially a kindgom in their own right, so it would be quite adecquate to compare humanity to the entire plantae kindgom. Even disregarding that nonsense, in the food chain you have to compare life-forms on the different levels, and humans are alone at the very tope of the food chain, so they can essentially be compared to entire inferior levels - in other words, it is still apprppriate to compare humanity to the entire plantae kingdom.

First of all, plants are the chief producers of oxygen, element without which practically every other lifeform would die (including humans). Second of all, plants are located at the very bottom of the food chain. They are the chief producers of Earth (they sythesize anorganic materials into orgnic nutrients which other lifeforms eat, plus they themselves are eaten).  The food chain is like a pyramid. Take away it's foundation and it crumbles. In the food chain every animal is dependent on the animals below it in order to survuve. Humans are at the very top of the food chain. We're almost exclsively "takers", meaning we eat other lifeforms, but other lifeforms don't eat us (heck, nowadays even decomposing a dead human can prove to be a challenge). No lifeofrms need us in order to survive. However, every lifeform needs plants to survive (includign humans). Going back to the pyramid analogy, if you take away the top, the rest of the structure will still stand. If this isn't objective way to determine the "value" of a lifeform, I don't know what is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_intelligence
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So now you've retreated from your stance that people are universally convinced their culture/whatever is automatically superior, to it's just the stupid majority that does that. 

Look, you're simply wrong.  I didn't argue that human intelligence is as much higher than other animals' as animals' are compared to plants' intelligence.  That was Kasz.  I just agree that the claim illustrates how dramatically more intelligent we are than other animals. 

Second, you are being ridiculous when you claim that Kasz's claim that the difference in intelligence is as great as the difference in intelligence between the plant and animal kingdoms would make us an actual "human kingdom" separate from animals and that therefore the value of the human species should be judged against the value of the entire plant kingdom. 

As for "in the food chain you have to compare life-forms on the different levels, and humans are alone at the very top of the food chain, so they can essentially be compared to entire inferior levels":  you have yet to justify this. 

No lifeforms depend on us?  You are so ignorant.  We have cultivated/created many species that would be devastated if not destroyed if we disappeared, because we spread them and use them around the world.  And removing predators will cause the lower lifeforms to destabilize their own population, so that argument is bunk as well.