| Griffin said: It was no insult, its to do with your clear lack of knowledge on the subject. Japan would have been completely destroyed if the bombs were not used. The US would have continued their bombing and laying mines across all Japanese held ports and shipping regions. The USSR would have continued their agression to mainland Japan where they would have raped and looted the country. The Japanese would have fought to the last person, every man, woman and child would have fought the allied forces, before millions would take their lives over what they were told would happen to them. Totals deaths could have gone as high as 20mil. And you talk about wanting to save lives, what about the 20million civilians the Japanese killed. Japan commited some of the worst war crimes known to man. And the allied bombing over Japan and Germany was much worse then that of the atomic bombs. The Atomic bombs saved more then 10 fold what normal bombing would have. |
I'm sorry, but who the hell managed to convince you that the entire population of Japan was involved in some suicidal cult? You say I have a lack of knowledge of the subject and then you claim 20 million Japanese civilians were killed? The number of Japanese civilians killed in WW2 doesn't even touch 1 million, the atom bombs could easily make up between a quarter and a half of the Japanese civilian death toll.
Your logic doesn't even make sense, if they were as delusional as you say they were then they wouldn't have surrendered after the atomic bombs were dropped.
Let me show you a picture.
This is a Japanese soldier...surrendering...crazy isn't it?
And funnily enough, I can't find any evidence of children fighting the Americans to the death.
And try and deny it all you like, but the Japanese were on the brink of collapse, you claim that every citizen would fight to the death, well that's bullshit, they would need supplies for that, and they didn't. The Japanese could have probably held out for another year before they hard to start fighting with fists. The Japanese leaders were considering peace and preparing for negotiation before the bombs were dropped. After doing some digging around on the internet I have found many sources which say that Hirohito contacted Roosevelt in late 1944 to negotiate surrender with similar terms to the Potsdam Decleration, but it was ignored.
At least you got something right, yes the Soviets were bastards, and yes they did rape and loot areas they invaded. But the dropping of the atom bombs didn't stop them from invading, the Soviets invaded Manchuria THE DAY the atomic bombs were dropped for christs sake.
Yes the Japanese did inexusable things to the Chinese, but like I said before, it doesn't justify the murders of a quarter of a million people.
The allied bombings of Japan and Germany did have a greater death toll, but they weren't "much worse" than Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The stategic bombings were prolonged, it happened over years, death was pretty much instant for the vast majority of people who were caught up in the bombings. Like I said before, I am still disgusted at how many civilians were killed in the allied bombings on Germany, in no way do I support it.
But it isn't even on the same scale as the atom bombs, it's one bomb, which was dropped without warning and it levelled an entire city. Like I said in my other post, the people who were instantly killed were lucky, the people who survived the bombs suffered the most, it is probably the most inhumane way you can die.
You poke fun at my age, you disrespect me and accuse me of not having any knowledge of the subject, and then you claim that the Japanese murdered 20 million of their own citizen's and that the majority of the population of Japan were delusional and suicidal cult members?
I'll make this easy for you, don't reply.
