Is there anything tax cuts CAN'T fix?

[vlad321]

mrstickball said:

vlad321 said:

You know, a free market has YET to be proven to work in the benefit of society as well, in more ways than just economically. Capitalism failed miserably over in the 80s (funny, around the time communism also started to fail, correlation?) , and lo' and behold, increasing the debt by 3 trillion got it out. This was under Reagan by the way, the greatest de-regualtor and all saved the US major downfall by spending huge amounts of money. After all, there is zero difference between building nukes and roads when it comes to the actual flow of money.

Furthermore I can write you a nice long paper about what a failure Americanism is. It is is as much failed Capitalism as Communism is failed Socialism. I very rarely see the best for cheapest prevail. I see the company that gets the best advertisements and spends the most money on psycholigist research prevail, even if their product is worse and costlier. As another example of business fuck ups, the nuclear reactor problem in Japan happened because of deregulation and bad business.

Basically, I agree that government is a piece of shit, however businesses are far lower than shit and that impresses me.

Hilarious.

So 'Americanism' has failed, eh? Despite being the 3rd largest nation in the world and maintaining a median income that is higher by significant multiples of any nearby nation, we have failed? Really?

If you want to believe that, then I really don't see how I can respond to you. If you feel so strongly about America's failures, then I suggest you move far and away from here.

I will pitch in and agree with Viper1 - America isn't a capitalist paradise. We are increasingly corporatist/socialist. Our tax codes and regulatory structure are consistently getting larger, not smaller - despite the supposed tax cuts. Ironically, we had far less rules, regulations and the like years ago when America was supposedly in its golden age. Coincedence?

What is hilarious is that you seem to think that US's dominance is because of Capitalism. Luckily, I however do know how to respond to you if you actually believe that to dispel any illusions you might have.

During WWII every major industry was destroyed except for the US. Literally, everyone else was bombed out and destroyed and the US was left untouched. Obviously that is great for business if you are the only supplier in the world. This is what led to what you jsut called "its golden age." Remeber how factory workers in car companies could have amazing quality of life? That's because they were the ONLY workers inthe world for several decades while the rest of the world competed. Notice how everything started going downhill super fast when the other countries got their shit together? Then around the 80s is when the broken philosophy of the US caught up with it and you had staglflation. How did the US get out of that? $13 trillion to date (started with nearly 3 trillion under Reagan). If you give most nations $13 trillion, they too would be on top.

Basically the US succeeded DESPITE Capitalism, not BECAUSE of it. They succeeded out of sheer dumb luck of having an ocean between them and the Nazis. Now that its luck has run out, it is only running on empty fumes and debt.

Edit: This should have been implicit when I mentoined WWII but I jsut want to make sure you realize that there was a huge talent drain DURING WWII, again to sheer dumb luck.