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Player1x3 on 05 July 2011
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Farmageddon said:
sapphi_snake said:
Farmageddon said:

Some believe we're just born and make all those concepts up as we go :P

When it comes to a single world religion, I really, really, really don't see that happening (besides maybe on an "official" level). Only shot would be if that one religion was non-religious. I don't think even extreme supernatural intervention would change that. I mean, assuming they don't just wipe our minds.

Also, Player1x3, I see your vision of humans is as if we're removed from nature, special. I think this kind of argument about human nature can't really be settled between people with a creationist view and people with a more naturalistic one.

How can this be?

Well, I just don't see how, moving forward, will there be a time whithout people skeptical of religions and gods and etc. I don't see atheists and agnostics and laVey satanists and whatnot suddenly disappearing, specially on a global government where flow of information would be (presumably) very high.

As long as there's religion there'll also be the ortodox types and the "I believe in something but don't fit any of this crap" Wiccan-type minorities. It just seems like this to me.

Player1x3 said:


What? No I dont believe in creationism, I simply believe that we have free will and that we make our choices but in the end our choices make us(shamelessly stolen from Bioshock), they determine weather or not we are greedy, destrctive etc etc...

Well, what makes you believe our free will is so absolute and detached from nature then? If we're products of nature, so is our free will. And if our choice determines what we are, what determines them? Our "free will"? If our personality plays a role in determining our actions, and to these actions we attribute lables, why not carry them over for our personalities?

Of course I'm not defending we're static, there's a lot of feedback and forth, but we are born with all of that in us, otherwise it would never surface.

Because we are not robots nor animals, we can control ourselves.For example, lets say we are really rich and we really want those extra 10 000 dollars for ourselves, but we EVEN WITH THAT WISH AND NEED for 10k$  we donate it to some childern chairity. So we CHOOSE not to be greedy. Or you can choose to keep to money to yourself and be greedy. And like I said we determine our choices and in the end they determine, or ''make''. Our personality doesnt have to play the role in our actions if we dont let it, because we can controll ourselves and think, what would YOU WANNA do.