RolStoppable said:
My post does in no way prove that there should be classifications like "hardcore" and "casual". It's a common fallacy you can't stop using, no matter how often I tell you that these labels are nonsense. The Wii had its most successful times when Nintendo didn't separate gamers into different groups, but tried to make games everyone could enjoy. With something as big a new console unveil you would expect the manufacturer to confirm some big games to convince people that this is a system to keep an eye on. The Wii U presentation was poor. It's possible that the 2D Mario game Miyamoto was refering to is Super Mario 3DS which is a hybrid of 2D and 3D Mario staples. The Gamecube definitely had some great games, but whether or not the quality went up with the Wii is entirely subjective. I for one think that almost all of Nintendo's games notably improved in the Wii era. So it's your opinion against mine and in that case the post count decides who is right. (That was a joke.) I am a gamer and I am not happy with the direction Nintendo is taking. New Super Mario Bros. sold 25 million copies on the DS. THAT about everything else would make sense to make a sequel to. But where is it? Either it's not announced yet or it's going to see a bastardization as Super Mario 3DS. Calling Luigi's Mansion one of the best games of last gen isn't so much of a compliment as an insult. If that game was among the best the Gamecube had to offer, then it says a lot about how bad that era actually was. I was not talking about the casual demographic, because that term is, once again, nonsense. I was talking about Nintendo's core audience in that paragraph. But if you want to insist on using the "hardcore" and "casual" labels, I'll tell you who the actual casuals are: People like you. Why? Look at the Nintendo 64 and Gamecube games, they are nerfed compared to previous generations. Instead of constantly being challenged, you hardly die in those games. The focus moved more towards stories and/or puzzles. No offense, but you are such a sissy that a real game is almost too much to handle for you. I can't be bothered to dig up your NSMB Wii thread, because I believe you know what I am talking about. It's about getting several Game Overs while playing with a friend and that during the easier worlds of the game. Yet you want to label yourself hardcore and see yourself as superior to those lowly casual folks who apparently don't deserve proper attention. Those people you like to talk highly of earned Nintendo N64 and GC sales. The stupid masses built the NES, the Gameboy, the Wii and the DS. Realistically, you should already be grateful if you get just as much attention as the original Nintendo audience, because according to sales it isn't even close to an even split. But no, you seem to think that you are on top of the food chain and demand almost all games made specifically for you. Targeted at the hardcore. Not games made for everyone, games just for you. Nintendo's problem isn't that casuals are too stupid to see the value in the 3DS and soon the Wii U. The problem is that these casuals are too smart and don't buy into empty promises like the hardcore who buy almost no matter what. If the games they want to play aren't there (and they aren't on the 3DS), then they won't buy the hardware. They see a system full of Joelcool7 games and a token casual game in Nintendogs + Cats and they know what is up. This isn't a gaming machine made for them. |
Easy their Rol I never said anything about being superior. As for difficulty I don't mind a good challenge I am not as good as some gamers but I still enjoy a good game. Bringing up my difficulty with NSMBW is sorta sad as I have beaten the game. I have never once on this forum or any other to my knowledge said that hardcore gamers are better then casual's.
Now your point about Nintendo making games everyone could play. Thats true they targetted both the hardcore and casual markets. Nintendo themselves talked about the Blue Ocean strategy taking people who didn't usually play games make games for them so that they would eventually start playing other games and expand the industry. Nintendo themselves has talked about the casual and hardcore markets ever since Wii launched. (Are you suggesting that they are totally wrong).
Theirs no point in saying their is no difference between casual and hardcore. But even in your post you mention casual gaming as casual. Lets look at what casual mean's. Someone who casually plays video games someone who's hobby is not playing games. As Miyamoto said someone who wants to pick up a game for ten minutes and then do something else. Now franchises that appeal to casual gamers according to Nintendo are titles like WiiSports and NSMBW, games you can pick up and play for ten minutes or so.
A hardcore gamer in my opinion is someone who games regularily and finds it like a hobby. Someone who buys more then two games a year. Infact I would consider alot of so called casuals to be hardcore as they are the new hardcore. Nintendo set out to entice non-gamers and slightly gamers into buying Wii or DS and playing video games regularily becoming the core demographic.
P.S- I don't consider FPS to be the only hardcore game. All the Mario's are hardcore, infact on Wii Nintendo released games for both demographics and games that bridged those demographics.
As for your hit to the GameCube. I mentioned Pikmin and Luigi's Mansion as some of the best games. Since I am a major Nintendo fan and enjoy their games more then those of the competition this isn't really a hard statement to believe.
As for your statement about casual games not being on 3DS "The problem is that these casuals are too smart and don't buy into empty promises like the hardcore who buy almost no matter what. If the games they want to play aren't there" Your right and wrong. I never meant casuals were stupid, its just Nintendo hasn't really marketed the product to them. I'm sure if a new Brain Age, 3DS:Sports....etc...etc... cameout and Nintendo advertised it in places that casuals read. Then with the right games and marketing more casuals would be turned onto the product.
Now my favorite system was GameCube up until Wii and the only reason it isn't still is because Wii has backwards compatability. This is not due to difficulty rather all of my favorite franchises and games being on that system. Pikmin 2, StarFox:Assualt and Jungle Beat. Wii is fairly close as I love NSMBW and DonkeyKong Country Returns. But it still lacks my Pikmin and StarFox as well as other games like 1080 or WaveRace!
As for me forgetting the casual hardcore thing. I will use it to describe casual gamers as long as casual gamers exist. A person who plays under an hour a week and doesn't buy all that many games is a casual player. He plays video games casually, there is no way you can deny that its not a knock on them or me thinking I'm superior its just fact.
But casual gamers often get hooked and become hardcore gamers. Its pretty hard to deny that their is a different market for different products.
Also your comment about me whining about games being so difficult on Wii. I have beat almost every Wii game I have bought. But only like 5 of my 23 GCN games. Some games are more difficult then others but that doesn't make them any less fun. You don't need insaine difficulty to have fun or be a gamer.
Lastly the unvieling of the WiiU, Nintendo traditionally doesn't show a ton of software when they unviel hardware. At least they haven't since Wii. At E3 2005 did we get a huge list of Wii games? Infact we didn't even know what the controller looked like. That was Nintendo's big unviel. So why would you expect Nintendo to unviel a huge list of games day one with WiiU?
Anyways I will be gone for a month in a few hours so I won't likely reply to any come back. Nice chatting with you again Rol and see yah in a month!
-JC7
"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer
