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brendude13 on 24 June 2011
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The XBOX 360 is set to have its weakest year so far while the PS3 is set to have its best year so far. I just wouldn't expect to hear something like that when the XBOX 360 has next to no exclusives game coming out in the near future outside of Kinect games and the flagship titles like Halo, Gears and Forza.

I understand now because you were including Kinect titles, don't worry, I was thinking more about hardcore games.

But a lot of upcoming Kinect titles are core, even though most aren't. Steel Batallion, Rise of Nightmares, Ryse, and debatably Fable.

It is true though, that MS needs to establish a new IP. Those Kinect games won't be AAA, but they may sell close to what Sly Cooper sells.

Then agin, do you consider something like Sly Cooper hardcore, or casual?

Core =/= Good

I don't have faith in any "core" Kinect game, it just doesn't seem feasible to have core controls with a Kinect game. I was focusing on games from highly rated and well respected developers, preferably without motion controls.

It would be great to see a new IP from Microsoft, they need to throw some spare change at Rare and kick their asses back into gear.

As for Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time, I wouldn't call it hardcore or casual, it's a game for everyone. I haven't actually played it and I don't plan to either, but it reminds me of Crash Bandicoot and Spyro, it's a game that both casual and hardcore audiences can love.

A game for everyone huh? So where do you draw the line for a casual experience? Is Mario Kart casual, or for everyone? What about Just Dance, or Wii Sports?

As for a "core" Kinect game. I can see why anyone would be skeptical. Remember how many people were skeptical of Wii when it came out? However it works, Metroid Prime 3 is probably the funnest FPS I have ever played, but most good Wii games don't use the Wii-mote to it's fullest (Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc).

However showing "core" Kinect games, skeptical as most gamers might be, they are still "core." It's just not traditional controller based core games, and I'll agree MS definatly needs more traditional games.

Mario Kart is a game for everybody, it's simple and fun. Wii sports is crossing the line, moving into a casual title, Just Dance steps way over the line.

And can you blame me for being skeptical, the difference between the Wii and Kinect is that the Wii has buttons (as Sony like to put it). Body movements cannot replace 17 buttons and 2 triggers, I stand by my word when I say every Kinect game will have to be on rails as well. Only a minority of hardcore game can be on rails, panzer dragoon for example or an arcade shooter.

A Wiimote only has 12 buttons, including the trigger and 2 other back buttons, and an analog stick. Easily replicated with Kinect.

Ghost Recon can run entirely on Kinect, I think we will have to wait and see how Kinect core titles look like.

But I agree with you, On Rails shooters will probably be the best of the Kinect core lineup, and looking at reviews for Child of Eden, that can be really really good. I hope Project Draco turns into a Panzer Dragoon title.

However if you take a game like Steel Batallion, and make leaning = movement, it coild still work. We really have to wait and see.

It's cool to be skeptical, not trying to change your opinion, but there are upcoming core games for Kinect. That's all I want to prove. You can just look at E3 and immediatly ignore every Kinect title, a lot of them have potential. After all Dance Central is an 8/10, and child of Eden for 360 got 8.9/10 on this website. Kinect can produce quality games.

"Easily replicated with Kinect"

It's just impossible, even to replicate the 12 buttons on the Wii, you will have to perform 12 different body actions simply to play the game, I do not see this happening. Sure somebody could do it on a hacked PC, but it is slow and combersome, quality control wouldn't allow it.

The ghost recon demo was a dismal failure, and the person wasn't even MOVING, let alone jumping, using grenades or basically any other action than pointing and waving to shoot a gun. I have dismissed every single Kinect game that was shown at E3, I refuse to believe that any hardcore gamer would play them. Only a few developers will think outside the box and create a quality game for Kinect, something that is different. I have never play Child of Eden but it gets rave reviews, so whatever. The point I am trying to make is that it is a rare exception. Does 1 motion control game justify a £130 price tag though? I don't think so.