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Allfreedom99 on 22 June 2011
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Vetteman94 said:
Allfreedom99 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Exactly,  its sad.   Luckily I have insurance,  but for one emergency room visit for me about 3 years ago it was $6k  and I left 4 hours after I got there.  

Sethnintendo, you are right that our health system needs changes. It does need reform. One of the problems in our healthcare system is the amount of tests a hospital has to go through to tell you something the doctor already has probably known. There are so many unnecessary tests that often take place. The problem is all the doctor has to do is breathe on you wrong and the hospital gets sued now days. They do so many tests to cover their butts. Our system can be over thorough many times.

Also @ Vetteman94.  You want the European style health care in America? Why is it that many of the rich in other countries end up coming to the States for their health care? Because its is arguably the best care in the world. You were also talking about how our country can't cut anything from the government programs, because it would hurt the poor people. The problem our nation is facing is with so much money being dumped into medicare, medicade, social security, ect that they are becoming unsustainable. We are becoming more and more a welfare state with an entitlement mentality. how did this nation become so great and prosperous?

1. through the freedom a man/woman has to go out and put his hand to the plow. the freedom a man/woman has to create a product and sell it at a profit. The freedom a man/woman has to buy and invest his money into whatever he wants.

 2. Through hard work and perseverance. The drive to not give up on the pursuit of prosperity and happiness. Through being individually responsible for oneself in providing for his/her needs and their family. The early settlers understood this.

3. It was through charitability in helping your fellow man in hard times to achieve the same goals so that we can prosper as one nation that stands for liberty and freedom. Its the freedom we have to make our own choices without a government telling us what we can and cannot do as individuals.

I think our country has lost some of these view points and has begun to rely more on what our government can provide for us. Its a shame to see so many people out of work. To see so many people on food stamps and on unemployment benefits. What are some of the nations of the world coming to when there are riots in the streets, because a government tries to handle some of its debt by making its people provide a little bit more for themselves? I ask why have we become so reliant on these government programs and then say we want government to provide even more for us? This is a shame. I understand there are those people out there that absolutely have no ability to work and are disabled. Those are the people who need the helping hand, and not the man that has capable hands and feet with a good back that can work and earn an income, but instead sits on his fanny collecting money from the government while his neighbor is working very hard and sees some of his money get distributed to the lazy man.

I see plenty of unemployed that would rather sit at home than honestly seek a job, because the government will pay for their needs. Grant it there are fewer jobs today, but I argue its because of increased regulation and government control rather than greedy corporations not wanting to hire workers. The American entrepreneur's spirit continues to be extinguished as the government promises to provide more and more for its people. Why should one work if he can get paid to do nothing?

I know something is wrong when people ask the government to provide more for them. Yes life is expensive. It requires hard work and dedication to have success. I am sorry if I offend, but I had to respond.

The US is ranked like 30th in the world for health care,  so to argue its one of the best would be a wrong arguement.  The only thing i have seen rich people from other countries come here for is plastic surgery and what few normal physicians they go to for normal things,  everyday people cant go to them due to how expensive they are so why bring them up. Social Security is a self sustaining program,  and its currently sitting at a surplus. And with one small change to the Social Security system, raising the tax ceiling, it will take care of any issue that would arise in the future.  But thats been tried and blocked by the Republicans. And Medicare could cost less if we used its size and number of participants to bargain with the drug companies for lower prices,  but that keeps getting blocked by Republicans because it hurts the drug companies.  Not to mention Medicare is going to start becoming cheaper over the next few years due to ObamaCare,  as it saved a significant amount of money.

There are no jobs to be had in this nation.  Corporations are outsourcing work more and more since it is cheaper and gives them higher profits. Not to mention some are even moving their facilities out of the country cause its cheaper to ship And all the labor jobs are going to illegal immigrants due to low cost to pay them/  The unions are getting busted up and their bargaining rights taken away so whats left of the middle class basically cant fight back against these Coprorations.  But what is this increased regulation and control the government has over these corporations you claim?  Not getting enough H1B Visas for overseas help?   Not getting enough subsidies from the government?  Tax rates not low enough?

And I see plenty of people who are willing to work but cant due to no jobs being available.

And I think there is something wrong with the people in this country when people think its ok for the poor to suffer and the rich prosper and the dividing line between the 2 increases at an exponetial rate.  When they worry about the richest 1% getting more of their money and corporations not have to pay taxes, but to make that happen the poor have to do without and the elderly die from no health care.    But hey its ok,  the rich really need that money more right.

Actually your data is wrong on our health care rating among the world. The number I have for quality of health care is 15th according to the World Health Organization. I agree there needs to be some changes and reform, but people think our health care is abysmal when its not as bad as some people think. I think the ranking system you are referring to has Morocco and Costa Rica higher than the U.S. I don't believe those figures for a second. Much of it is based off of life expectancy due to our nations diet, and also cost ratio to quality ratio. We all know Americans have some of the worst diet habbits. You have to take that into account when ranking our health care among the world. Some of that is not Health Cares fault. Its the fault of being lazy and eating too much of the wrong things.