What is your honest opinion on the Forza Franchise? Compeditor to GT?

[Michael-5]

CGI-Quality said:

daroamer said:

CGI-Quality said:
My opinion: Forza is a better modern racing game, but as a driving simulator, it has a long way to go before reaching GT levels.

Btw, I read that some think reviews should prove which is better. If that's the case, GTA IV should be considered better than almost any game on the market. Hint: reviews do not prove which is the better game. Forza will never have the expectations of GT and therefore will never be judged like GT.

Then what metric would you like to use to compare games?

My own experience. How exactly does Metacritic prove, indisputably, what game is better than another (especially when the individual reviews themselves prove nothing absolute)? Would you, then, agree that Uncharted is better than Halo or Gears of War? That GTA IV is better than Red Dead Redemption? That HEAVY RAIN is better than Alan Wake?

I agree with the bold statement, if you remove long. FM3 does a lot of simulator aspects better then GT5, but as a whole GT5 is a better sim then Forza 3.

However the difference isn't huge, you have to remember GT5 is a year newer then FM3, in a year the market grows significantly, look at the difference from FM2 to FM3, it's insane! Almost as if they were from different franchises, and that was only 2 years.

So when you realise GT5 is a year newer, they both perform as sim's about equally well.

What makes Forza a better game however is the structure of the game. GT1-4 almost never rewarded you with cars, you had to race a lot to get the cars  you wanted, and even then you needed to tune your cars to win races. GT5 is significantly more accessable, but you still only get about 1 new car for each hour you play, less when you get far into the game. Also, as realistic as the used car dealership idea is in GT5, this means that if you want to drive 1 specific car from the past in GT5, you may have to wait a long long time before it's available. In FM3, not only are all cars purchasable at any time, races generate more revenue, and you often get rewarded cars. This is done to the point where every race is almost completly different, since you have a new car, but I found in GT5 almost all my races were done with 3 heavily tuned cars (GT-R, C06 Race Car, and a Formula 1 car).

Anyway, I'm dragging on, CGI I agree with you, and I also agree with you that metacritic shouldn't be an absolute way to rate a game. I want to add that JRPG's often get mixed reviews, and overall low scores on metacritics, but some niche, or small time JRPG's have managed to become my favorite. Metacritic favors the advertized big budget games more then the little guys, but in general for quality debates, people should refer to individual reviews. E.G. Infinite Undiscovery, a good JRPG with some flaws. Metascore 68/100, but Gametrailers gave it a 7.8/10, which I feel is much more reasonable. Non-JRPG fans will easily bring down the score because they focus on the flaws, but the game itself is fun.