What is your honest opinion on the Forza Franchise? Compeditor to GT?

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Carl2291 said:
Forza 3's bundles are closer to 2 Million than 1-1.5 Million. It had a release bundle, it was bundled with ODST after a few Month of release and it had the Holiday 2010 bundle.

Despite this, Gran Turismo 5 did more than Forza 3's current lifetime (84 Weeks) of 4.83 Million units, in the space of 5 Weeks.

Forza isn't really a "competitor" to Gran Turismo just yet, despite how much Turn 10 want it to be. They're trying to bundle there way to success and it's still not working... So they turn to Kinect. If Kinect doesn't lift the Forza name to Gran Turismo heights, then there's probably no hope for it in the long run. Sure, reviewers say Forza is currently the better game (although Gran Turismo is the better racer, if you read the reviews), but in the eyes of the public... Forza is no GT.

If you add the sales of Forza 3 during the time of those bundles, Forza 3 sold about 3.5 million units (2 for ODST bundle, 1.3 for Alan Wake). Forza 2 sold 1 million units in the 3 months before it was bundled. If Forza 3 sold as well as Forza 2, that immediatly bring the number of bundled sales down to 2 million, but since Forza 2 was a July release and Forza 3 was October, I severly doubt that. Realistically Forza 3 sold 1.5 million units in the first 3 months on its own. As for the Alan Wake bundle, before and after Forza 3 was selling 20k weekly. Assuming it held those sales, and didn't go up in sales due to the holiday period, thats 400k natural sales. However holidays do boost sales, and an "Ultimate Edition" was released, where sales doubled the week of release. So realistically 600k or so units were naturally sold.

Do this math, Bundles actually added less then 1 million sales, but I was being lenient knowing most people would heckle me if I said otherwise.

Using the car analogy as well. Does it matter that Forza sells half as many games at GT? Is the Lotus Elise not a compeditor to the Porsche Boxter just because it sells less cars? What about the Masaratti Quatroporte compared to the Porsche Panamera, or the Aston Martin Rapide? Sales don't justify quality if you ask me.