my views haven't changed since last time:
Grey Acumen said:
Is there global warming? Possibly
Are humans the cause? Doubtfully
Does the EPA or any other organization have a shit of an idea of how to fix it, or even care? No
Whether or not global warming exists, whether or not YOU care about global warming and the environment, it doesn't matter to me. But no current major organization with any recognition actually has the health of the earth at the base of their reasoning.
Global warming is a method of controlling people, because you can claim that ANYTHING is a cause of global warming and you don't need to show proof. After all, all the problems are actually far off into the future, if it snows in Bagdad for the first time in 100 years, that also can be attributed to global warming causing massive fluctuations in standard weather cycles, never mind that it did apparently happen 100 years ago.
On top of that, you can make any claim you want as to how to fix things. Demand certain chemicals be taken out of products, other chemicals be put in. Emissions of certain types must be within a certain limit, which gets changed every other year. Can anyone point to anything and say "Hey, this isn't working"? No, because none of the results will show up until way off in the far distant future. If there isn't any human caused global warming, and people still listen to these global warming issues, then in the far off distant future, they'll just say "see? it's only thanks to us that it worked, now you better keep listening or else the world will die in another 100 years"
It's the same type of fear mongering people accuse Bush over in the war, you know, the one against the terrorists that have pretty much stated they will do everything they can to kill us, and have already demonstrated that they will, but they go gaga over "protecting the earth" cause it's "in danger" from the evil "pollutionists"
Hell, at least Bush's "fearmongering" has a face to it.
So yeah, I may not be able to disprove global warming, but I CAN prove why you shouldn't listen the people claiming that man is the cause of it. Final-Fan said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
"These assessments have largely followed or endorsed the IPCC position that "An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities" "
15 out of 17 on that list agree and the other two (including "American Association of Petroleum Geologists") don't disagree.
"...no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate."
I'm not going to bother putting pages and pages of data up here but I am going to say that when NO national or international scientific organization is known to disagree with scientific opinion on a "hot-button" issue, it's damn well close enough to fact for me to take their word on it. Certainly it's enough for me to take their word on it over the media or politicians or whatnot. |
Also, OMG, did you just use WIKIPEDIA as a source for a POLITICAL ISSUE?!
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You know why I have the biggest problem with people who talk about global warming? It's because, invariably, some yutzpa will go "Global warming is proven undisputed FACT" this is the same problem I have with Atheism and the THEORY of Evolution being viewed as factual.
They have never been scientifically PROVEN. They are all THEORIES. They are theories that have been around for a while now, but they have never been proven. Yet they still are constantly being touted about as if they've somehow run an experiment on god's existence or making a planet hot, or watched a species for millions of years and come up with results on these that prove them.
Now for teh moment, we're just on global warming, so lets go with that:
Can we prove global warming exists? Sure
Can we prove that the source is Man's fault? No
Can we prove that the planet won't go back to normal on it's own? No
Can we prove that this ISN'T normal for the planet? No
Can we prove that, other than a few odd weather anomalies, global warming is actually having any disasterous effect on the earth? No
Can we prove what specifically needs to be done to ensure the earth's safety? NO
No scientist would ever be able to find these things out without having immortality and a time machine.
NOBODY FUCKING KNOWS HOW THE EARTH WORKS!! Until you can predict what the weather will be next year on this day, who the next president will be in 20 years, and what the winning lottery is tomorrow, you will never KNOW any of these answers. You can give me all the statistical data you want, but you will NEVER PROVE anything.
Debate global warming as a theory, fine. I got no problems with that. Even a likely and standardly accepted theory, but if you expect me to accept this all as fact, you've already failed the first test of credulity, because you've already either lied to me, or lied to yourself.
