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alekth said:

Yeah, people should agree on what kind of sex they will have before they have sex. That agreement doesn't need to be an explicit line of statement of intent regarding babies, because some things are obvious.

Things like vaginal (or even anal since it's close) sex with a condom on - no babies. If anything, if in such a situation one of the partners is going to do something to make this sex result in pregnancy, they should be the one who have to make a declaration. Handjob, blowjob, sex with condom and taking that off to come somewhere else - same thing.

I'm not arguing about custody, but about whether a law that attributes parental responsibility to men in cases such as those, is justified. BTW I dont think those rulings helped an iota the establishment of the image of women as equals in society, in order to get rid of discriminations. What these two did - getting pregnant on purpose and having the man take responsibility as well, is what some women NEEDED to do before in order to get a man, because that was their only place in society and only decent means of survival.

And it's not like their actions aren't seen as wrong, premeditated fraudulent intentions WAS ruled in the second case, fraud due to forgered signature is pretty obvious in the first one. It's that the men still had to pay. Maybe the man from first case would win custody and she will have to pay - but then again pay what, she was bankrupt, so he will have to not only pay but also take care of the children or let his new wife do that, which isn't really the point.


I'll put it this way.

Say a man gets a catholic woman pregnant even though she didn't want to have a baby, and specifically told him so, and he didn't use a condom or whatever.

Ok so the girl gets pregnant.  She gives birth because she's Catholic and against abortion and gives him the baby.

She'd still be responsible for child support.

It's got NOTHING to do with a Man/Woman thing.

The only "inequality" is that a man can't force a woman to get an abortion or force a woman to have the baby... which is totally the right descision since it's her body.

It's a lesser of two evils thing...

It's not that women have an advantage.

It's just harder to do to a woman in which you aren't committing sexual violence to a woman and basically if it did happen she would probably get an abortion rather then give you the kid.

Another example of this is fertility clinics.  Sometimes some sick ass doctor will use his own sperm... and he's the biological father... if somehow a court granted him custody... say  the mom doesn't want a son that's half either doctor... she would still be responsible for child support.