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Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

The strength gap with Israel has only grown since the Six Days war. It would be hard for Syria to do anything meaningful right now, and the Palestinians would start basically from zero. A Palestinian state would have to acknowledge Israel's right to exist from the getgo, which would sunder them from the Iranian alignment immediately. It would take them decades to build up to that level, and in the hangtime they would be afraid enough of disastrous defeat to hold off.

Independence should come with a mutual nonagression pact, but an independent Palestine has to have all the rights of a sovereign state or else its not proper independence, similar to if they got "independence" while they were still crisscrossed with Israeli-controlled "restricted zones."

That... sounds like a bunch of idealized nonsense.  The Palestine state akcnolwedges Israels right to exist... ok.  How does that actually ever stop them from attacking Israel?

Why would that sunder them from Iranian alignmnet?  Like, seriously, why?  Because they were forced to say something to get their own country?  You don't think Iran understands having to lie to the international community?

What i'm really getting at here is that it would entail a political shift to the point where these possibilities would cease to exist. The moderate political alliance (with more inclination towards the Hamas way of thinking than currently exists, but not so much as to be truly damaging) would as a matter of course be disinclined towards violent options or towards the Iran-Hezbollah bloc. I'm foreseeing a more toothless alignment similar to Jordan, or at most Egypt who might pay lip-service to a more anti-Israeli action, but won't do anything

I'm not being naive, i'm saying that the conditions necessary to enact the two-state solution will also lend themselves towards a lasting peace, according to the political movements and attitudes necessary for that to come about.

What exactly would cause this political shift?  Nothing I could see.

Let alone the fact that Palestine has yet to recognize Israel... which one would have to think would need to be a shift in the OTHER direction.