vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
I am curious now because I remember reading somewhere that there were jewish people who had also served under the British, and were therefore trained and armed by them. Furthermore the funds that Israel used to buy those weapons also came mostly from the US and Russia, again foreign aid. The US and Stalin might as well have just sent them their planes at that point (they may actually ave done so at some point, I haven't actually researched that area much). Without the foreign funding (and let's face it, the US and Russia are far more removed than the people who lived right next door to them) and weapons Israel wouldn't have defended itself.
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Except... it didn't. That money mostly came from the jewish people.
The United states actually went out of their way to try and prevent Israelis from smuggling weapons into Israel... and didn't provide any aid until after they had won their first war. America was largely anti-Israel at this point.
and no... they didn't send them their planes. The US didn't support Israel... and Stalin didn't help Israel. They just didn't NOT sell weapons to them.
Which you know... is the normal "non aid" state of affairs.
Also those WW2 pilots your thinking of... were pilots who immigrated to Israel, and became part of Israel. They weren't sent by anyone, and were volenteers... and mostly stayed in Israel.... and did not bring any british weapons with them.
and the US and West mostly tried to prevent them from even going.
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However that is false, because a decent amount of funds were received from the US and Russia, which were used to buy weapons, they did not use just their personal wealth. I know for a fact that right after the war the US gave Israel somewhere around $100million, which to me doesn't exactly scream "anti-Israel." I wouldn't exactly call 1949 the point where it was for sure that Israel woudl stick around.
As for preventing resupplies, that was part of the truce, and both sides should have adhered to it and both sides broke it.
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I would... they won the war... and your proof that they got help from the US to win the war is "They got support from the US after the war."
There is a reason why it's always "How much foreign aid has the US given Israel since 1948."
Because until 1949, we didn't. Until then we were afraid if we did it would push the Middle East into the soviets beds.
heck... because of Truman's choice to recognize Palestine... which was considered a surprise.
May 14, 1948, shortly after 6:11 p.m. eastern standard time: United States representative to the United Nations Warren Austin leaves his office at the United Nations and goes home. Secretary of State Marshall sends a State Department official to the United Nations to prevent the entire United States delegation from resigning.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/palestin.htm
That's how strongly a number of people in the government disagreed with recognizing Israel. Truman for whatever reason wanted to support them. It would seem to be due to Europeon Anti-semitisim.
Also I'd note that selling guns was more or less all the Czechs had when it came to making money... they also sold to other middle eastern countries.
I mean, from what i can tell they vastly overcharged the Israelis too.
